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    Posted: 24-Sep-2005 at 06:34

First headline of this thread is the Language of the Ancient Macedonians and not the ethnicity origin. All the mentioned quotes regard the ethnicity.

All that you mentioned I have already read from the knowing sites and I dont like the cutted quotes I prefer to read all the sentence..

 

http://faq.macedonia.org/history/ancient.macedonia/wilken.ht ml

http://www.macedon.org/anmacs/wilcken.htm

 

I will stay in this statement of Wilchen

"The strong emphasis on Philip as a Heraclid and therefore a true Hellene, was to make easier for Greeks the idea of subordination to foreign leadership." p.35-6

 

He believed that the Macedonians were Greeks (origin) and adding in this point the Isocrates letter (speech to the Philip) confirms this statement. The communication between them was the Hellenic language.

 

Kassander at your opinion what kind of language spoke Ancient Macedonians if this weren't Dorian?

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  Quote dorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 07:03
Originally posted by Kassander

"And yet if we take into account the political conditions, religion and morals of the Macedonians, our conviction is strengthened that they were a Greek race and akin to the Dorians."

Yet Mr. Wilchen contradicts this statement here:  "Even in Philip's day the Greeks saw in the Macedonians a non-Greek foreign people, and we must remember this if we are to understand the history of Philip and Alexander, and especially the resistance and obstacles which met them from the Greeks. The point is much more important than our modern conviction that Greeks and Macedonians were brethren, this was equally unknown to both, and therefore could have no political effect." p. 22-23

& again here:  "Philip was the Hegemon, the federal general, selected for life by the congress. His kingdom of Macedon naturally did not belong to the Hellenic League..." p.44

& again here:  "The Greeks regarded the hegemony of Philip as, after all, a foreign domination; they did not look upon the Macedonians as Greeks." p. 45

& again here:  "His Kingdom of Macedonia naturally did not belong to the Hellenic League." p.44

& finally:   "The strong emphasis on Philip as a Heraclid and therefore a true Hellene, was to make easier for Greeks the idea of subordination to foreign leadership." p.35-6

But for the ethnicity, we can start another thread.  In regards to the Dorian theory, Ak, that argument was very effectively rebutted in another forum.  You know this, I will not repeat it here as the ethnicity debates tend to initiate some nastyness.

My last word on this thread on the ethnicity of Balkan peoples is the following: when pushed, I will push back, however, what we should do is concentrate on our similarities as Balkanians as opposed to our differences historically & politically.  Many of us are from places that are no more than 500km from eachother...how 'different could we truly be?

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Kassander do you have any idea about what we are talking? If not, we're talking about the language of Macedonians. Don't use the political tools which were used then because we all know that there were people who were on the side of Macedonians (how could a percentage of the rest of the Greeks support a foreign conqueror?) and some who didn't.

We can conclude a lot from the study of their language and the stream is that they spoke a greek dialect (dorian) before they had adopted the Attic.

About the foreign people that the Greeks met in Macedonia, it's well-known that many foreign people inhabited Macedonia from who the Macedonians had adopted foreign elements in their language.

"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians.That's who we are!We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia�Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" Kiro Gligorov FYROM
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ANCIENT MACEDONIAN LANGAUGE


Language Name: Ancient Macedonian
Alternate Name(s): Macedonian or Dorian Dialect
Once Spoken in: Greece Macedonia
Language Code: ISO-DIS 639-3.5 XMK
Status: Extinct
Family: Indo-European
Subfamily: Hellenic or Greek
Subgroup: Macedonian
Subgrouping Code: IEGB
Brief Description: The ancient language of the Macedonian kingdom in N. Greece and modern Macedonia during the later 1st millennium BC. Survived until the early 1st millennium AD. Not to be confused with the modern Macedonian language, which is a close relative of the Slavic Bulgarian.

SOURCES:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/a/an/ancient_m acedonian_language.htm

http://linguistlist.org/

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_families.html

 

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