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    Posted: 21-Sep-2005 at 02:43

I think the ratios(man numbers)is just one dimension of fight.

For exmple:what about chance of 10 000 swordsman against 5 heavy machinegunners ?

 

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  Quote I/eye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2005 at 08:24

land: any battle of Manchurians vs Choson conscripts (early 1600's)

water: any battle of Choson Admiral Yi vs Japanese (late 1500's)

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2005 at 04:12

One more, the British invasions of Tibet, 1888 and 1904.

Cataphracts vs machine guns.

I'll leave you to work out the results.

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Battle of Sabine Pass

Battle Of San Jacinto

2nd Battle of Adobe Walls

 

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polish cavalry vs german tanks.
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I've heard that the actual number of casualties among the mahdist ansar at Omdurman later has been estimated at ca 20 000 dead, 22 000 wounded and 5 000 POW's. Even two weeks after the battle, wounded warriors still died of their wounds

But the most one-sided battle I know of is the battle of Blood river/Bloet river/ncome in 1838, where a zulu army suffered more than 3 000 dead against only 2 wounded boers. An unbelievable ratio of 0-3000+ dead 

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A bit of a spin-off from "Today in history"

Is it Omdurman?

At the Battle of Omdurmanin 1898, British troops, led by Lord Kitchener, defeat the Sudanese and re-occupy the Sudanese capital , Khartoum. It was a desive victory for the colonial power in the war against the forces of the Madhi Mohammed Ahmed, a religious leader in the Sudan, who had declared a Jihad against the Ottoman-British occupiers. The forces of the Madhi, Sudanese tribesman armed with guns and more traditional weapons like spears and swords, were no match for the British machine guns and artillery. On the British side, out of a force of approximately 8000, 48 were killed and 382 wounded, while the Sudanese casualties were somewhat higher, out a force of 50.000, 10.000 were killed and 15.000 were wounded.

Which makes it a ratio of 1 to 200 casualties.

Any other contenders for the title?

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Originally posted by BigL

polish cavalry vs german tanks.

Oh, I'd say it had some effect, "When the Germans attacked, Poland was subjected to the first use of the Blitzkrieg. It was over in six weeks. Even so, the Poles did inflict damage on the German army. Almost 90,000 German soldiers were killed or wounded, far more than in the eight-week war in France the following spring; a huge number of armoured vehicles and other equipment was destroyed; and the German Air Force lost more than 400 aircraft, a rate of loss that was never again exceeded, except for a few weeks during the battle of Britain"
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In the battle of Cannae, a force of 40000 men guided by Hannibal defeated the roman army of 70000 men.

Hannibal lost 5700 men, Varro and Paulus lost 60000 men, reaching that way the title for Cannae of "Mother of all the battles".

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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 00:56
Polish-Swedish battle at Kircholm, around 11 thousand Swedes, against 5 thousand Poles. The conclusion of the battle was a Polish victory with casualties reaching about 100 dead or wounded, while the Swedes lost about 9 thousand men.
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  Quote human Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 04:51

Navy battle of Salamis (salamina)

If i remember well 3000 Persian ships against 500 Greek ships. Persians lost all their ships and it was the begging of the end of the Persian invasion in Greece. I dont remember the numbers in the battle of Platees which was the end of Persian invasion.

 

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Over indulgence of the royalty in hedonistic pleasures coupled with an unrealistic assessment of the enemy's designs led to the loss of India's sovereignty to the Muslim invaders. This is what happened when the handsome king, Prithviraj Chouhan, the last Hindu ruler of Delhi, remained besotted with his new bride and beloved Sanyogita, the princess of Kannauj. Before his marriage, Prithviraj, was able to defeate the aggressor Sultan Mahmud Ghori and his slave general Qutub'uddin Aibak. But after getting married to Sanyogita; Prithviraj lost all propriety of the duties of a ruler and gave all his attention to his 'Queen of Hearts'. While their extended honeymoon was on, the wily Ghori was planning his invasion of India to avenge his past defeats. Prithviraj ignored repeated warnings from his courtiers that Ghori's attack was imminent. When Prithviraj, woke up from his infatuation it was too late. His very large but ill-prepared army had to face defeat at the hands of Ghoris small but well-prepared army in the battlefield of Tarain and he himself was captured and killed by the enemy. And Delhi came under Muslim rule that was to last the next 700 years. The freedom of the country was also imperilled after the fall of Prithviraja III at the hands of Muhammad Ghori after the second battle of Terain (1192 A.D.). The Pauranika points to the political blunder of the Chahamana ruler who was succumbed in [Sic] sensuous slumber in the company of his newly acquired wife Samyogita [or Samyukta]. Prithviraj was enjoying with the company of his newly acquired wife sanyogita when the enemy was pounding at the gates of delhi. The history says that while going to the battlefield, Prithviraj was girdled by his beautiful and charming empress Sanyukta. Prithviraj was killed by Ghori because he sowed the seed of chauhan dynasty in sanyukta before proceeding to his last battle. He had passed the night before the great battle in the amorous company of his wife sanyukta. Due to this act he could not conquer death. It is said that, when Prithviraj fell from his zenith, he had split his white blood before going to the battle. In the evening preceding the battle, Prithviraj is reported to have allowed himself to be thrown into the well of carnal pleasure. When he enjoyed the poisonous wine of his ladys eyes, all his bravery and heroism vanished in no time. These are the evil consequences of wasting seminal energy.
Prithviraj Chauhan defeated Ghori Muhammed in first battle by the numerical superiority of his army. But then he eloped with Sanyogita and married her. This handsome king lost himself in his wife's beauty and love. Prithviraj never left his harem and was always having sex with his lovely wife. When Prithvi heard that Ghori was again raiding his country to rape and secure Prithvi's sexy wife, Prithviraj got alarmed and raised the strength of his army tremendously. Prithviraj's forces had 5,00,000 horses, 50,000 elephants and 50,00,000 warriors. Though the Hindus had great numerical strength than muslims they were all massacred by Ghori in second battle. Prithvi was cruelly killed by ghori and Sanyogita killed herself as she was cruelly raped by Ghori. More than 35,00,000 rajput soldiers were killed in the battlefield itself. The same thing happened again to Padmini like that of Samyogita when Alauddin killed her husband Ratan singh. Muslim Sultans killed handsome Rajput Kings mainly to secure their beautiful wives. The muslim invaders cruelly killed hindu rajput men and raped their beautiful wives. The Chauhans were very much larger in number than the gurids. But they were physically weaker than gurids. They were mostly vegetarians. They were not hard working people. They lived in wealthy lands. So they were stout and goodlooking. They liked peace and love. But the gurids were hard workers and came from dry lands to acquire wealth and women. They were tall, lean and ugly. They were war- loving people. The moto of rajputs was to eat, drink, sleep, love and enjoy with their women by having sex with them. They were soft people. The Chauhan men and women were always in love and lust with each other because their men were handsome and their women were most beautiful. The chauhans were haughty and proud for no reason. The moto of gurids was to kill rajput men and rape their women. They were rough people. The ghurids were mostly black coloured people and the Rajputs were golden coloured people. When the gurids captured the chauhan kingdom they were amazed by the beauty of golden coloured rajput women. The chauhan women were so sexy with larger breast and buttocks. The ghurids had never seen such sexy, beautiful, colourful and lovable women. They were very much infatuated towards their beauty. So they killed the rajput men mercilessly and entered into a mass act of rape and rapine to satisfy their own lust. The rajput women hated the ugly and cruel ghurids. So when they were raped by gurids, they committed sucide.

So Muhammed Ghori's army was the most one sided army that killed the biggest army ever in the world of king Prithviraj Chauhan. 

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Prithviraj Chauhan was the flamboyant ruler of Delhi, who despite routing the Afghans in 1191, is largely remembered as the most romantic and handsome king in Indian history. He fell in love with the daughter of his most bitter rival, Jaichandra, and carried her off despite the opposition. A year later, Muhammad Ghur returned and in the battle that ensued, Prithviraj lost his life and the battle. Ghur raped Prithvirajs beautiful wife Samyukta and she killed herself. Ghur's lieutenant, Qutb-uddin Aibak later ruled India and founded India's first Muslim ruling dynasty. He ruled over India for fourteen years, consolidating his power by annexing the territories of Delhi and eventually defeating Jaichandra. His son-in-law constructed the famous Qutb Minar, a mosque and minaret, in his memory.
The Ghaznivads had little influence in India by the late 12th century when an ambitious sultan from Ghor, another man of Turkish descent in Afghanistan, showed expansionist intentions. Muhammad in his earlier attempts had a great setback when he tried to imitate the crossing of Thar Desert and assault on Gujarat by Muhammad of Ghazni. However, this time the defenders of Somnath stopped his debauch and Muhammad met with a defeat. After easily overpowering the Sindh region, he turned his attention now to eastern Panjab and Rajastan. Muhammad had already taken Lahore in 1186 and now was impinging on Chauhans territory. He met with an able and worthy opponent in the Rajput dynasty of Chauhan. Their hero, Prithviraj was the legendary king who had eloped with the daughter of king of Kanauj while coming off age. This story is even today alive in the folklore of Panjab and Rajastan. The confrontation of 1191 almost resulted in Muhammad losing his life, if not for a Khalji warrior who bravely fought off the Hindus and rescued his leader. Prithvirajs vassal, Govinda-raja by name, inflicted a deep gash on the arm of Muhammad though he lost his front teeth while taking a blow from the sword of the Muslim. When Muhammad retreated Prithviraj did not give chase and basked in his victory. This was a tactical error that would come back to haunt him later. Prithvirajs marriage with Samyukta, the princess of Kanauj took place after this first battle of Tarain. Prithviraj had an endless honeymoon with his charming new bride and forgot his duties as a king. Muhammad, however, was not to be discouraged by a single defeat. Middle of next year in 1192, Muhammad was back with a small force of 1,000 horses attacking the Rajputs again. But Prithviraj had a massive army that was very much larger than that of Ghurid army. Prithvirajs force consists of 10,00,000 horses, 50,000 elephants and uncountable number of warriors. Muhammad arranged a fake truce and while the Rajputs were celebrating, thinking that they had won again, the Ghorid sultan double crossed the Hindus and massacred them in a surprise attack. This second battle at Tarain lasted all day, wearing out the Rajput soldiers, when waves after waves of well-trained horsemen attacked the weary Rajputs. Eventually the mighty army of Prithviraj succumbed to the superior tactics of the Arabian horsemen. Govinda-raja was slain and his body could be recognized only because of its missing teeth.
Prithviraj was taken prisoner and then executed by Ghor. Beastly Ghor cruelly raped Prithvirajs beautiful wife, Queen Samyukta. She killed herself unable to bear the disgrace made to her by ugly Ghur. Ghur also killed the infant child of this newly married couple. Most of the Rajput women jumped into their own funeral pyres as the Ghurids raped them and the brave soldiers fought on till they were killed in the battlefield. Such was the honour of Rajputs. Ghurids massacred millions of rajput men, raped their women and their children were made slaves. Thousands of Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam. Thus Ghor completely destroyed Chauhan Empire.
Within a matter of three years most of the Ganga belt had capitulated to Muslim forces. There hardly was any resistance to their advance. By the thirteenth century the conquest of the North India was almost complete with the Muslims in control as far east as Bengal and Assam. The Muslim faithful unleashed a rule of terror with relentless massacre of Hindus, unimpeded. Blood ran in the holy River Ganga and many Indians were forcibly converted to Muslim faith with the threat of death or unfair taxes. The Battle of Tarain was a turning point in Indian history. A land that had been protected by Hindu Kush Mountains on its northwest frontier now was a thoroughfare for invaders and marauders. The whole of North India was under Muslim rule for the next six hundred and fifty years until the British usurped them. The permeation of Hindu society by Islam had begun at full throttle.
Like his predecessor Mahmud of Ghazni, Muhammad of Ghor was not interested in occupying and ruling the land of India. Ostensibly Muhammads goal was to expand territory and submission of Hindus to Islam but he too strayed from his ideology when he tasted the opulence that was India. The main focus was to plunder and pillage and transfer as much wealth as possible to his motherland Ghor in Afghanistan. The seemingly insatiable Muhammad bequeathed the control of the land he had gained to be ruled by his subordinates, the first of whom was his slave who had fought beside him. His name was Qutb-ud-din Aibak, the founder of the so-called Slave Dynasty that ruled North India for the next eighty-four years.
Prithvi Raj Chauhan was the last Hindu Ruler of Delhi. He ruled at Sambhar, Ajmer and Delhi. In 1182, Prithviraj defeated the Chandel king Raja Parmal and captured Mahoba. In 1191 he was the head of a confederacy of Hindu kings in combatting the invasion of Huhammad Ghori. He repelled the Muhamaddans at Tarain about 2 miles north of Delhi. His next exploit was the abduction of the daughter of Jaichand, the Gaharwar (or Rathore) Raja of Kannauj in 1191 after his first battle with Ghor. The king of Kanauj had claimed the title of universal sovereign and determined to celebrate the Ashwa-Medha or horse sacrifice, at which all the offices should be performed by vassal kings. This was the last Asvamedha performed by a Hindu king. Pritvi Raj of Delhi and Samarsi of Mewar alone declined to attend as subordinate, and Jaichand therefore made a wooden image of him and set it up at the gate in the part of the doorkeeper. But when his daughter after the tournament took the garland of flowers to bestow it on the chief whom she chose for her husband, she passed by all the assembled nobles and threw the garland on the neck of the golden image. At this moment Prithvi Raj dashed in with a few companions, and catching her up, escaped with her from her fathers court. Mer. E. Balfour: In this successfull rape he lost the flower of his followers and his subsequent humiliating defeat by the Muhamaddans has been primarily attributed to this. Jaichand, though bereaved of his daughter sent her jahez or trousseau after her. But in the following year Prithviraj was completely defeated and killed at Thaneswar by Muhammad Ghor, and soon afterwards Delhi and Ajmer fell to the Muhamadans. Prithvirajs new wife Samyukta was captured and raped by Ghor. Ghor also killed the infant son of Prithviraj. The Chauhan kingdom was broken up, but scattered parts of it remained, and about 1307 Asirgarh in Nimar, which continued to be held by the Chauhans, was taken by Ala-ud-din Khilji and the whole garrison put to the sword except one boy. This boy, Raisi Chauhan, escaped to Rajputana, and according to the bardic chronicle his descendants formed the Hara branch of the Chauhans and conquered from the Minas the tract known as Haravati, from which they perhaps took their name. Jaichand closed his career by lapsing into the Ganga at Ferozabad, the ancient Chandwar as Ghor worstly defeated him.
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DEFEATE OF PRITHVIRAJ CHOUHAN
In the turbulent times of the 12th century, when Islam was bent on taking over India, and Mohammad of Ghur (from Afghanistan) marched beyond the Punjab, Prithviraj III of Ajmer advanced to oppose the Muslim invaders with a large army. It included one hundred and fifty Rajput princes and their forces, including Rawal Mathan Singh of Mewar. Islam had been seeking the conversion of the world at the point of the sword. . Ghori decided to extend the boundary of his kingdom and also gain wealth, through conquests. To realize his ambition, he made his first incursion into India in 1175. After subduing the Ismaili Muslim heretics of Multan, he made an unsuccessful advance into Gujarat in 1178.
Nevertheless he became successful in seizing Peshawar and building a fort at Sialkot in 1181. With the help of the ruler of Jammu, Jaidev he put an end to the rule of Ghaznavids in Punjab and captured Lahore in 1186 A.D. With this the way was opened for him to push his conquests further into India. But he now had to face the formidable Rajputs led by the enigmatic Prithviraj Chauhan, ruler of Delhi and Ajmer.
For the defense of the country's north-west frontiers and what may be called the "Gateway" of India, the Chauhan ruler had strongly fortified the bordering towns of his kingdom. Muhammad Ghori first attacked Bhatinda and laid siege to the city in 1189. Historical evidences show that Prithviraj Chauhan was not prepared for this attack made in a sudden and deceitful manner. Hence the army defending the city was defeated and it laid down its arms after the defeat.
Muhammad Ghori left a garrison under the command of Ziauddin to defend the fort, and he himself prepared to back when the Chauhan ruler arrived at the head of a huge army to recapture the fort. So Ghori had to stay his departure in order to face Prithviraj. The rival armies met at Tarain, near Thaneshwar. In face of the persistent Rajput attacks, the battle was won as the Muslim army broke ranks and fled leaving their general Mahmud Ghori as a prisoner in Pritiviraj's hands.
Mahmud Ghori was brought in chains to Pithoragarh - Prithviraj's capital and he begged his victor for mercy and release. Prithviraj's ministers advised against pardoning the aggressor. But the chivalrous and valiant Prithviraj thought otherwise and respectfully released the vanquished Ghori.
Scenes of devastation, plunder and massacre commenced, which lasted through ages during which nearly all that was sacred in religion or celebrated in art was destroyed by these ruthless and barbarous invaders. The noble Rajput, with a spirit of constancy and enduring courage, seized every opportunity to turn upon his oppressor. But all was of no avail; fresh supplies were pouring in, and dynasty succeeded dynasty. Prithviraj after this battle eloped with Samyukta, the princess of Kanouj and married her. This handsome king lost himself in his wifes beauty and love. The newly married couple preferred to live in some romantic isolation. They continued their honeymoon endlessly unaware of the forthcoming danger.
On his return to Ghazni, Ghori made hectic preparations to avenge the defeat. He proceeded towards India with a large force numbering 120000 mounted men. When he reached Lahore, he sent his envoy to Prithviraj to demand his submission, but the Chauhan ruler refused to comply. Prithviraj saw through Ghori's stratagem. So he issued a fervent appeal to his fellow Rajput chiefs to come to his aid against the Muslim invader. About 150 Rajput chiefs, both big and small, responded favourably. Except the ruler of Kannauj Raja Jaichand whose daughter had eloped with Prithviraj and married him. Prithviraj prepared a very large army to crush Ghori this time. Prithviraj proceeded with it to meet Muhammad Ghori in Tarain where a year before he had inflicted a crushing defeats on his adversary. Ghori divided his troops into five parts. While he deployed four parts to attack the Rajputs on all four sides, the fifth part was kept as reserve. As the sun declined, Ghori led a final charge with his reserve army. The final charge came as a last straw for the brave Rajputs. Khande Rao, the able general of Prithviraj, was killed. The enthusiasm of Prithviraj also dampened against these reverses. He abandoned his elephant and rode out of the battlefield in order to prepare his defenses for another round of attack. But he was pursued and killed by the Ghori in a village near Sambhal U.P.
In some popular legends woven around the bravery of Prithviraj, it is said that Ghori did not killed Prithviraj but blinded him. Subsequently, Prithviraj discharged a Shabdbhedi (an arrow which travels in a path created by sound waves) arrow, on being challenged by Ghori to do so. The arrow hit Ghori and subsequently he was killed. Yet there is no historical evidence to substantiate it. It was a false story told by the rajputs as they could not digest this humiliating death of their hero Prithviraj at the hands of Mohammed Ghori who was a fanatic, cruel and ugly Muslim. Ghori captured Prithvirajs wife Queen Samyukta just before Jauhar and cruelly raped her. Unable to bear this disgrace she soon committed suicide. Ghori even mercilessly killed the infant child of this newly married couple. Ghori and his barbarians raped millions of chauhan women and killed all chauhan men. Lakhs of chauhan women committed suicide. Chauhan children were converted to islam and they were made as slaves. Ghori soon captured other kingdom of north India with ease as their sole hero Prithviraj was already killed by him.
The seriousness of this defeat for India cannot be exaggerated. The victory of Mohammad of Ghur was decisive, and laid the foundation of the Sultanate of Delhi and, for Hinduism, the period was critical.
After this defeat, the role of the kings of Mewar became clear: They accepted this responsibility of defence in preference to the life of relative security of a slave. And so began centuries of war with the Muslims, lasting until the Mughal dynasty began to fall apart after the death of Emperor Aurangzeb (1707).
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I'd say definatly the battle of Teutoberg forest. bout' 15,000 roman soldiers died? (three legions total). no one knows how many germans died....but i'd guess that if an army of germanic tribes were able to destroy all of the Varus comand, including Varus himself then about 100-200 germans dead.

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Still I haven't seen anyone come up with another example of a 0-3000 casualty rate as at Blood River
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Originally posted by Sarmata

Polish-Swedish battle at Kircholm, around 11 thousand Swedes, against 5 thousand Poles. The conclusion of the battle was a Polish victory with casualties reaching about 100 dead or wounded, while the Swedes lost about 9 thousand men.

I've heard 100 dead and 200 wounded poles. Nevertheless, Kirkholm is by far the worst and most embaressing defeat in swedish history, and also one of the greatest defeats/victories in history

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Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter

Battle of Agincourt between England and France in hundred years war, 5,000-9,000 English defeated 12,000-30,000 French the casualties 100 English and 5,000 French with 1,000 prisoners.

 

 That battle is a propaganda, most of the french army were actually a band of peasants militia following. Infact the french knights  got stuck in the mud.

 

 The most one sided battle in history is the battle of patay, when french knights caught the longbows in the  open. 2000 english killed for less than 5 french casualties.  1 for 400.

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A few come to mind...

Agincourt 10-15,000 French dead including the post-battle prisoner massacre to a couple of hundred English.

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 That is a lie,  at Agincourt the most exxagerrated claim put about 4000 french casualty for 500 english casualty. I don't believe the army engaging the english were much larger.

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Another notable one-sided battle. The unnamed battle pitching the Romans versus the army of Britons commanded by Boudica in 60AD:

Romans: 2 legions (~10000 soldiers) vs Britons 230,000 soldiers

Casualties:

Romans: 400 vs Britons 80,000

Goes to show what organization and good training can do. It was also a very important battle: had the Britons won, the Romans would have been kicked out of Britain and world history might have never been the same. I still feel bad for the Britons though

The population of the whole of southern Britiain was only a million people. The poplution of the eastern part where the rebellion occured 200,000. that's 80,000 men of fighting age. Only some of the eastern tribes did participate in the revolt. If we estimate 50% of males of fighting age from the participating tribes fought we get a figure of 30,000. then we would have to subtract the casualties from the earlier battles. On my archaeology course the lecturer from the Museum of London reckoned their were only 10,000 Britions, less than there wetre Romans.

 

 Yea you English are master of propaganda and lies always inflating the opponent army size and reducing your casualties. Actually these figures could be accurate, in those days every available men would be deployed on the battlefield as warriors, especially in a primitive briton society. And definitely it is not known for sure whether the britons were actually 1 million or more. Your 10,000 claim should be discredited as nationalit propaganda.

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Quetzalqoatl, will you please refer to your sources? Extraordinary claims calls for extraordinary evidences...

According to most history books, the english army numbered ca 9000 (of whom more than 7000 were common archers), the french numbered about 20 000, of which ca 10 000 took part in the actual battle (most were professional soldiers, not peasant levies), suffering ca 6000-9000 casualties (dead and wounded)

The claim of 80 000 briton tribesmen would be considered a wild exaggeration by most academic scholars. Even if the ancient tribes of Britain could get that number of able-bodied men, it would be impossible to keep them together as a single fighting unit as you consider the primitive logistics of the time, and the rudimentary command structure.

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