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    Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 19:54
Originally posted by Seljuk

Originally posted by Feramez

How do you spell 'Cuman' in Turkish?

It sould be Kuman or Kpak. Their language was one of three of the main accents of Turkic languaces (apart from yakut and chuvas):

Karluk, Oghuz, Kypchak

Kypchak language(Northwestern Turkish) consist of following accents:

(from wiki)

I know what Kipchak is and how to spell it.  How do you spell 'Cuman' in Turkish?

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  Quote Death Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 20:11
Why they converted?
this is my opinion and it considers religion-Religion isnt the most inportant thing in an individuals life.I beleve that is is more a trend then a constant thing.Why did anyone acept some other religion?
You have to ask yourself would you change your religion for some reasons,then ask what are those reasons and you will see.
Religion could sometimes be explaned as mass histeria.
Look at Americans,they are a most individual sociey(do those two things go together-yes they do,read Hobs or Lock-both explane it) and they(Americans) are most persuasiv to these mass histerias.That is why they have a lot of all kinds of churches,sekts and other...
Dont forget that just a few decades ago(1950-1970) religion didnt play a mayor part in a life of one people or even in the whole civilization.Then there was only proleter(worker-USSR) and on the other side the capitalist or/and citizen(USA) so that says that not religion but ideology is inportant(more inportant) in one state or society or one nation.
To shorten my thread-I know that i would change my religion for a number of reasons,i  muself question the position of religion a lot.I speak for myself and i think i would change my religion and become a Muslim or Jew or Budist just out of curiosity(hehe).God likes that,and loves curious people.(Oh man i cant beleve it-im a monotheist,i will have to think about that fast-bye bye)
The alphabet i dont know but it looks almost like hungarian,the ,

botson igye tengeria,amen- from what little i know hungarian i would say that this last thing means forgive.Bocsanat-forgiveness-bocsnat(hun.)
You will have to ask Hungarians that speak better hungarian then me to translate.
I hope to have been of some asistance altho i didnt write facts,but my opinion.
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  Quote Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 03:29
Originally posted by Seljuk

Originally posted by Feramez

Originally posted by Raider

The so-called Cuman paternoster:

Bezen attamaz kenze kikte
szen lszen szen adon
dsn szen kkln
nitziengen gerde ali kikte
bezen akomezne oknemezne
bergezge pitbtr kngn
ill bezen menemezne
neszen bezde jermez berge utrogergene
illme bezne algyamanna
kutkor bezne algyamanna
szen brsn boka csalli
batson igye tengria. men.

This text is in the Cuman language?

It surely is at least i can understand tengri

But i wonder in which alphabet it is written in and were they converted to christianity(mentioning of amen?)?

It was written in Latin alphabet. The text was minuted in the beginning of the XVIII. century. By this time the Hungarian Cumans were converted to Christianity.

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  Quote Death Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2006 at 22:37
And all this time i was thinking that the Kun were the 3 Kazar tribes that joined Magyars and Arpad.Now i see my mistake,......i made an error i apologize.
They were (maybe) Turkish speaking,lol,hahaha, right where i started.
Can we call them Magyar?,no i dont think so.Were they Hungarian?,i beleve so.Lets answer the question of race.Are Turks yellow(ish)?If they are then the Kun may be Turk.
I do know a place near me that is supose to be a Kun settelmant.Its in Vojvodina(Serbia,north province,near a city kikinda,the wilage is now called Sajan....early as 13XX,i dont know,and then it was called Saj-han,so if someone wants to do reaserch ....Very beautiful,all Magyar vilage now but i guess that 700 years is a long time.
That reminds me of one more place in Serbia near Nis,on the south that is called Vladicin Han so maybe there is a similarity. That Han thing sounds oriental,lol.
Maybe now i was usefull?!?
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