Hun, Magyar, Turk , Finn words

 

English

Hun
Magyar, 2004
Magyar, XI-XII c.
Vogul
Finnish
Turkish (Ott.)

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neil
ny�l
?
ny�l
nuoli
oguz?

hand
kezi
k�z
k�z
k�t
k�szi
?

head
phe
fej
fej
p�ngk
p��
bas

woman
in�
n�
n�
n�
nainen
kar�

horse
l�
l�
l�
luv
hevonen
at

dog
kutha
kutya
?
k�tyuv
?
k�pek

stone
kevi
k�
kű
k��v
kivi
tas

way
utu
�t
utu
lyoh
lű
jol

three
hurum
h�rom
harmu
hurum
kolme
�cs

yellow
sarakh
s�rga
s�rig
kaszm
keltainen
szar�
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Number
Hun
Magyar
Vogul
Finnish
Turkish (Ott.)

1
idzsi
egy
akv(a)
�kszi
bir

2
kelt�
k�t/kett�
kit(igh)
kakszi
iki

3
khormu
h�rom
h�rum
kolme
�cs

4
nijdzsi
n�gy
nyila
nelj�
d�rt

5
h�t�
�t
at
v�szi
bes

6
hotu
hat
h�t
k�szi
alt�

7
jeti
h�t
sz�t
szeitszem�n
jedi

8
loncsoj
nyolc
nyollov
kahdekszan
sekiz

9
kl�ntiz
kilenc
�nt�llov
�hdeksz�n
doguz

10
t�z
t�z
lov
k�mmenen
on

11
tiz hen idzsi
tizenegy
akwhujplov
�kszitoiszta
on bir



Number
Animal
Hun
Magyar
Turk. etym.
Slavic etym.
Uralic etym.

2
horse
l�
l�
ulagh?
-
Yes

3
dog
kutha
kutya
k�pek??
-
Yes

6
fish
kala
hal
-
-
Yes

8
eagle
sas
sas
?
-
?

9
falcon
h�lie
�lyv
Yes, B
-
-

10
raven
khulla
holl�
-
-
Yes

11
bull
b�ka
bika
buka, B
??
-

12
ox
�ker
�k�r
v�g�r, B
-
-

14
cow
inke
teh�n
-
-
-

16
bear
hevi
medve
-
Yes
-

17
wolf
jugra
farkas
-
-
-

18
fox
v�la
r�ka
-
-
Yes

19
camel
t�ve
teve
Yes
-
-

20
ewe
howi
juh
-
-
??

21
mouse
csucsa
eg�r
-
-
Yes

22
rat
racsa
patk�ny
-
Yes
-

23
monkey
majmun
majom
?
?
-

24
pig
tonzu
diszn�
Yes, B
-
-

25
horn(ed)
szoru
szarv(as)
-
-
Yes

27
frog
beka
b�ka
Yes, B
-
-

28
lark
bulb�l
csalog�ny
!
-
-

29
snake
kila
k�gy�
-
-
Yes

30
lizard
klik
gy�k
-
-
?

31
dragon
vom
s�rk�ny
Yes, B
-
-


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Word
Hun 500 AD
Magyar 1055
Magyar 2004

1
hand
kezi
kezi?
k�z

2
heart
szerti
?
sz�v

3
blood
veri
veri?
v�r

4
red
verisi
?
v�res

5
water
vezi
?
v�z

6
way
utu
utu
�t

7
bow
viju
?
�j

8
arid
sziki
sz�k�
szik-

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What are Magyar & Hungarian? Magyar is a language and an ethnic entity (facts & beliefs will come soon), Hungary is a state. If you meet a language called "Hungarian", it is very probably Magyar. Magyar language is surely not Indo-European, and has some kinship with Finnish & Estonian; the exact degree of this kinship is a matter of argumentation. That degree is just depending on some Armenian texts on which this study has been written, so wait to the end. However an almost unequivocal academic consensus does exist and that will be recapitiulated early in the main text.

The best story of the Uralic paradigm starts with a purely Uralic scenario up to the end of pre- (or proto-)Magyar times, and then applies heavy Turkish influence from Southeast in the middle of the first millenium AD. Finns were already too far to West and Ob Ugors too Northward. Then Magyars entered the Migration, and on horseback they traversed the space between the Ural River and the Carpathian Basin, while they adopted Turkish way of life and the words denoting its specific notions, plus a lot of fashion words too. Also, living in a confederation of tribes, some tribes of Turkish origin may have been incorporated.

However a diametrically opposite Turkish paradigm exists too, in which Magyars are not Turkized Ugors, but Ugrized Turks. Supporters of such a view are in utter minority amongst linguists, but not so small minority amongst anthropologists, and the idea is fairly acceptable for Turks.

Note that it is not easy to settle the question for ever. Namely, languages can be learnt; and words can be borrowed even more easily. Grammar is more conservative, until it breaks down in Pidginisation, as Anglo-Saxon & Norman French simultaneously lost almost all of their synthetic structures about 1100 AD in fusing into Middle English. Now, Magyar is moderately polysynthetic even now, so it has not undergone Pidginisation. However Uralic and Altaic grammars are rather similar for first principles.

 

LOOK how close Magyar Language is still to HUN Language still!!!

Originally posted by minchickie What are Magyar & Hungarian? Magyar is a language and an ethnic entity (facts & beliefs will come soon), Hungary is a state. If you meet a language called "Hungarian", it is very probably Magyar. Magyar language is surely not Indo-European, and has some kinship with Finnish & Estonian; the exact degree of this kinship is a matter of argumentation. That degree is just depending on some Armenian texts on which this study has been written, so wait to the end. However an almost unequivocal academic consensus does exist and that will be recapitiulated early in the main text. The best story of the Uralic paradigm starts with a purely Uralic scenario up to the end of pre- (or proto-)Magyar times, and then applies heavy Turkish influence from Southeast in the middle of the first millenium AD. Finns were already too far to West and Ob Ugors too Northward. Then Magyars entered the Migration, and on horseback they traversed the space between the Ural River and the Carpathian Basin, while they adopted Turkish way of life and the words denoting its specific notions, plus a lot of fashion words too. Also, living in a confederation of tribes, some tribes of Turkish origin may have been incorporated. However a diametrically opposite Turkish paradigm exists too, in which Magyars are not Turkized Ugors, but Ugrized Turks. Supporters of such a view are in utter minority amongst linguists, but not so small minority amongst anthropologists, and the idea is fairly acceptable for Turks. Note that it is not easy to settle the question for ever. Namely, languages can be learnt; and words can be borrowed even more easily. Grammar is more conservative, until it breaks down in Pidginisation, as Anglo-Saxon & Norman French simultaneously lost almost all of their synthetic structures about 1100 AD in fusing into Middle English. Now, Magyar is moderately polysynthetic even now, so it has not undergone Pidginisation. However Uralic and Altaic grammars are rather similar for first principles.   LOOK how close Magyar Language is still to HUN Language still!!!

6
fish
kala
hal
-
-
Yes

Turkish = Balik

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11
bull
b�ka
bika
buka, B
??

Turkish = boga

-----------

12
ox
�ker
�k�r
v�g�r, B
-
-

Turkish = �k�z

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14
cow
inke
teh�n
-
-
-

Turkish = inek

----------

18
fox
v�la
r�ka
-
-

Turkish = tilki

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19
camel
t�ve
teve
Yes
-
-

Turkish = deve

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22
rat
racsa
patk�ny
-
Yes
-

Turkish = si�an

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23
monkey
majmun
majom
?
?
-

Turkish = maymun

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24
pig
tonzu
diszn�
Yes, B
-
-

Turkish = domuz

-----------

25
horn(ed)
szoru
szarv(as)
-
-
Yes

Turkish = boru, boynuz

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lark
bulb�l
csalog�ny
!
-
-

Turkish = tarla kusu, saka

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29
snake
kila
k�gy�
-
-

Turkish = yilan

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nevermind,

i just realized you filled in the turkish words that were left blank.  sorry about that

stone isnt "ta�", it is "kaya", similar with Uralic one.

I believe Uralic and Altaic people have a common ancestry in far past. Our languages are very similar, even after all those irrelevant languages influincind us differently. Not only vocabulary, but also sentence structure, usage of words and suffixes etc.

 
6
fish
kala
hal
-
-
Yes

Turkish = Balik

Uyghur Turkish= Belikh

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11
bull
b�ka
bika
buka, B
??

Turkish = boga

Uyghur Turkish= Bukha
-----------

12
ox
�ker
�k�r
v�g�r, B
-
-

Turkish = �k�z

Uyghur Turkish= �k�z

-----------

14
cow
inke
teh�n
-
-
-

Turkish = inek

Uyghur Turkish = inek

----------

18
fox
v�la
r�ka
-
-

Turkish = tilki

Uyghur Turkish = t�lke

-----------

19
camel
t�ve
teve
Yes
-
-

Turkish = deve

Uyghur Turkish = t�ge

-----------

22
rat
racsa
patk�ny
-
Yes
-

Turkish = si�an

Uyghur Turkish = csachkhan

-----------

23
monkey
majmun
majom
?
?
-

Turkish = maymun

Uyghur Turkish = maymun

------------

24
pig
tonzu
diszn�
Yes, B
-
-

Turkish = domuz

Uyghur Turkish = Tonguz

-----------

25
horn(ed)
szoru
szarv(as)
-
-
Yes

Turkish = boru, boynuz

Uyghur Turkish = m�ng�z


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lark
bulb�l
csalog�ny
!
-
-

Turkish = tarla kusu, saka

Uyghur Turkish = Bulbul

------------

29
snake
kila
k�gy�
-
-

Turkish = yilan

Uyghur Turkish = yilan
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 yes  to me magyars and huns and t�rks coming from central asia destiny make us leave each other but we will meet a day absolutely we are bit of great T�RK nation  regards to everybody

Heyy Minchickie.. you gave up on network 54 then :) I was Arabas Perna there if you remember..

Interesting article, especially the Hun words.

suevari, whats you nation?I just wondered because you are saying "I'm Turkic"

Originally posted by Socrates Originally posted by Zagros Interesting, I believe Kutha is also the Punjabi for dog. You're probably right...i think there's a similar form in Pashto...btw, KUCA is deminutive for dog in serbian...we also use the word KUCHE.

In Uyghur Turkish, we use "Kuchuk" for a puppy.



Edited by Uyghur Oghli - 18-May-2006 at 18:20

by the vay Dog = it
and very interensting topic.