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Yiannis 
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 Topic: The Battle of GallipoliPosted: 11-Aug-2005 at 06:14 |
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Non-English language is not allowed, apart for the relevant "non-english" part of the forum. (located here: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=20) As a courtesy to the non-Turkish speaking forum members, please stop posting in Turkish. Diri, that goes for you too. Please continue this discussion in a non-offensive manner. PS This post was edited and certain non-english language posts were deleted (also at the request of the contributors)
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erci
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 21:52 |
I've copied/pasted the first pic from wowturkey.com I don't know exactly what part of Canakkale is it. http://wowturkey.com/tr47/tuncay_erdogan_canakkale_050.jpg second one is a village called Hamzakoy.It is in gellibolu, 2 km away from the port of Gelibolu.  |
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turkos
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 13:15 |
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ok guys probably diri will post new replies in this topic or in anyone please let him alone..dont answer him..he wants just a country |
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dont forget all events are repeating
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baracuda
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 05:43 |
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Mortaza - bosver, komedi donuyor zaten burda (just leave it seems like that a comedy is going here anyway)
The first picture looks like some place after Konya in Antalya direction that I know.. |
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Mortaza
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 02:38 |
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yozgat, corum, sivas, krehir
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baracuda
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 01:14 |
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"Erci" where is the first two pictures from? (what are the places called, in Gelibolu or in Canakkale side?)
"Diri" - Dream on.. Edited by baracuda |
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erci
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 00:25 |
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present day Canakkale
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Dr
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Posted: 09-Aug-2005 at 17:55 |
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LOL
Man yo uare realy dumb - I have heard thi rhetoric a THOUSAND times - and it is begining to wear out... You should see the facts as they are... You say there would be no Kurdistan? Where the f**k did you get that idea from? Kurds were promised a country - or shall we say an autonomous area which was gonna be independent at it's own wish! And even though it was SMALL - it was SOMETHING! And in any case Kurdistan has been split by you - and Turkey has deported so many Kurds to the Turkish areas of Turkey that now Kurdistan looks like this..
But when the "missing" people are returned the "holes" will be filled and Kurdistan can not be denied any native lands...
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Yan Kurdistan - Yan Neman...
Simply being a Kurd is a political act... |
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Posted: 08-Aug-2005 at 05:13 |
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erci and Mortaza, please just ignore him...
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erci
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Posted: 08-Aug-2005 at 04:12 |
yeah, Damn everbody  |
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Mortaza
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Posted: 08-Aug-2005 at 03:20 |
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Be calm guy,If we failed, there would be not kurdistan, but armenia. Half of to Kurdish cities were armenian cities. And you should thank you Ataturk,for protecting your ass against the Armenians. I dont think they will let so much kurds to live. And dont be idiot,at that times british and france,now USA.
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Dr
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Posted: 07-Aug-2005 at 22:34 |
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Come on - OF course the Anatolia would have been DIVIDED! ANY GIVEN DAY ANATOLIA WOULD BE DIVIDED! And those of you I see here saying things like "Anatolia was too turkified" that is just bogus from Westerners who have NO idea what they are talking about... All you learn in the west is how many Turks you killed and how many allied they killed... That's all... Truth is after WW1 the Ottoman Empire was being divided into bits and pieces - among other states a Kurdistan was planned - and with the Mosul Vilayet to be given permission to "join" it two years later... And then the DAMN "Young Turks" party surfaced and brought with them their NAZI-like ideology that denied all other nations of the Near East any credit - Damn Atatrk was first supported by the Kurds because he was talking about a Turkish-Kurdish state and then changed his freaky mind and banned everything "Kurd" and "Kurdistan"... But HEY - NO hard feelings damn Europeans... (In fact it is quite amazing that Kurds don't HATE the west - but instead see it as a role model) After all the sh*t Kurds have been through because of imperialist and colonialist aspirations... We will free our Kurdistan by our selves thank you very much - and we don't need a ROTTEN pound from Englishmen... Today Southern Kurdistan - Tomorrow Eastern and Western Kurdistan and in two weeks we will TAKE BACK our lands in Northern Kurdistan and kick Turkeys ass... |
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Yan Kurdistan - Yan Neman...
Simply being a Kurd is a political act... |
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Constantine XI
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 21:28 |
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Ok, well all the posts I made over the past 14 hours or have been while
I was under the influence. Now that I am more clear headed (though
still tired as hell), I realize I have neglected to answer Tobodai.
Well Gallipoli was our first big fight really. Australians (perhaps New Zealanders also) had fought in the Boer War, but that was a tiny conflict which our colonies (the Australian colonies did not federate into a nation until January 1 1901) did not commit large forces to. With federation came a national military force, and roughly 10% of the Australian population signed up to serve in WWI. Conscription was never introduced, unlike in Britain. Sent to Egypt to training at the beginning of the war, the British War Ministry managed to find a job for these lads when the Royal Navy failed to force the Straits. And so Gallipoli began, fought in some of the most impossible and atrocious conditions WWI could provide. It is a defeat, but one which is celebrated and I know that may seem strange. We celebrate it because it was the first time our soldiers were tested and their courage did not fail. Their defeat was a product of poor planning and organisation on the part of the British High Command, when you read about such incidents such as the Battle of the Nek and see how the ANZACS went forward inspite of impossible odds it inspires pride. The forces at Gallipoli were defeated by the poor decisions made higher up, we recognise the common soldier performed heroicly at our country's baptism of fire. From the Gallipoli campaign we see many of the greatest virtues of the Australian character given meaning: mateship being just one of these. That is why Gallipoli is solemnly and proudly remembered as a triumph of the spirit of the first generation of our nation, the defeat not able to tarnish the valour and virtues displayed by those men. |
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Belisarius
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 17:03 |
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I think he meant "Osprey". They are good books, not very broad but detailed.
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Constantine XI
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 15:51 |
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OK shall give that a go. I may do the Ottoman Empire next year at university, so it would be economical to fit it in with that.
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baracuda
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 15:46 |
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I usualy download books first, if I like it then I buy them.. so if you can download it would be easy to find over p2p
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Constantine XI
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 15:42 |
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I shall have to fit it in one of these days. Are the Offsprey publications available in my area?
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baracuda
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 15:38 |
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"Constantine XI" there is an offsprey book around on Galipoly..
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Mortaza
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 15:33 |
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I understand you, but becoming good soldiers dont mean much for building a nation, I mean If you give death for your nation is different than becoming a good soldiers. By the way, All life cost from war should be 50 000-80 000(dont remember excact number ). Others are from epidemic. So 30 000 is realy big number for that war. |
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Constantine XI
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Posted: 05-Aug-2005 at 15:26 |
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Ataturk is the one figure I see playing a really decisive role as a
Turk, but leaders on both sides made decisions of mind boggling
stupidity. And yes it did cost the Turks heavily, I remember reading
they suffered a staggering 30,000 killed in action during one single
day of the general offensive against the Allies.
The Dominions typically accounted for themselves well. Coming more from rural areas than the British, these soldiers possessed all the bellicose features of a youthful nation. Eager to prove themselves, the keen young men were hurled tragically against impossible positions. Such commanders as Haig interpreted their intrepid spirit as indiscipline, being more concerned with reducing these men to dull servitude than utilizing their martial qualities. |
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but this is impossible . bcs in history they hadnt a country . history shows future...they are croushed..i have an idea.. tonight we will cry for diri all together before sleeping..
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