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    Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 04:57

It may not be of offence in Pakistan due to the country being full of Pakistani's. However in the west a Pakistani may call another Pakistani a 'Paki' with no offence being implied. However if a non-Pakistani was to use this term it would be considered offencive. This is similar to the unwrittain rulings on the 'N' word.

The English are the ones that are to blame for this word. Since there is a sizable minority in the UK they had to make an offencive word for Pakistani's. Ignorant, i know. But the word has now been established for many years now.
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Originally posted by Jhangora

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

I see this hasn't been posted on for a while, but still.
It is not in any way insulting to call us paki's. Indeed everyone in Pakistan would not be offended at any way at being called a Paki. The only people in my experience who get offended at being called pakis are non-muslim indians.
Baluchi's live in Baluchistan
Afghans live in Afghanistan
Tajiks live in Tajikistan
Uzbeks live in Uzbekistan
Paki's live in Pakistan

Pakistan is the western majority muslim states of British India. Punjab Sind NWFP Baluchistan and Kashmir. The main ethnic groups are Baluchis Pathans Punjabis and Sindhi's. The languages are Baluchi, Pushto, Punjabi, Sindhi and Urdu (Hindi is Urdu with sandscrit alphabet instead of persian). We are not muslim Indians, as these are muslims living in India. This also implys that 'Indian' ais one ethnic group, which it isn't, because Indians have many different ethnic groups and languages.

So Pakistani's used to be Muslim Indians,according to you.


The difference is between British India, and India (Hindustan). Saying Pakis* are muslim Indians is like saying that the people in Herat are Iranis. They have been in the same empire before, but now they are not, and since they are ethnically different, they are not Iranis. Also there are Hindus and Christians (and even some ancient greeks in kafiristan) living in pakistan as well as muslims

*I don't know about the UK, but you'll never offened me by calling me a paki.
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Posts: 1070 		  Quote Jhangora Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 04:36
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Originally posted by Jhangora

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

I see this hasn't been posted on for a while, but still.
It is not in any way insulting to call us paki's. Indeed everyone in Pakistan would not be offended at any way at being called a Paki. The only people in my experience who get offended at being called pakis are non-muslim indians.
Baluchi's live in Baluchistan
Afghans live in Afghanistan
Tajiks live in Tajikistan
Uzbeks live in Uzbekistan
Paki's live in Pakistan

Pakistan is the western majority muslim states of British India. Punjab Sind NWFP Baluchistan and Kashmir. The main ethnic groups are Baluchis Pathans Punjabis and Sindhi's. The languages are Baluchi, Pushto, Punjabi, Sindhi and Urdu (Hindi is Urdu with sandscrit alphabet instead of persian). We are not muslim Indians, as these are muslims living in India. This also implys that 'Indian' ais one ethnic group, which it isn't, because Indians have many different ethnic groups and languages.

So Pakistani's used to be Muslim Indians,according to you.


The difference is between British India, and India (Hindustan). Saying Pakis* are muslim Indians is like saying that the people in Herat are Iranis. They have been in the same empire before, but now they are not, and since they are ethnically different, they are not Iranis. Also there are Hindus and Christians (and even some ancient greeks in kafiristan) living in pakistan as well as muslims

*I don't know about the UK, but you'll never offened me by calling me a paki.

Do you mean Indian Punjabis n Pakistani Punjabis are ethnically different?
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No. But Punjabis and Gujratis are.
Besides most punjabis are pakis.
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Posts: 1070 		  Quote Jhangora Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 06:25

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

No. But Punjabis and Gujratis are.
Besides most punjabis are pakis.

How about the Mohajirs Omar.Are they ethnically/racially different from Indians?
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a) I am a muhajir
b) I reliquish any claim to Indianness I may have. Muhajirs left hindustan to avoid being Indians.
c) Most Pakis are not muhajirs
d) There are more Afghans than muhajirs in pakistan, does that make us afghans? Does that make Iranis Syrians because there are ethnic arabs living in Iran?
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

a) I am a muhajir
b) I reliquish any claim to Indianness I may have. Muhajirs left hindustan to avoid being Indians.
c) Most Pakis are not muhajirs
d) There are more Afghans than muhajirs in pakistan, does that make us afghans? Does that make Iranis Syrians because there are ethnic arabs living in Iran?

How about the Kashmiris Omar al Hashim.Are the Indian and Pakistani Kashmiris different ?......
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Baluchistan and NWFP were annexed from Afghanistan by the British and became part of Pakistan as a result.
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In the 1750's the whole of the pakistan region was controlled by the Afghans. But by the 1770's the Sikhs had begun to push the Afghans out, and the British used this to thier advantage to move in and influence the region.

Originally posted by Jhangora


How about the Kashmiris Omar al Hashim.Are the Indian and Pakistani Kashmiris different ?......

Yes the pakis are free, while the Indians oppressed.
Asking the same question over and over won't get you anywhere.
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Posts: 1070 		  Quote Jhangora Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 07:11
Omar how about the Sindhis who live in Pakistan .R they different ethnically/gentically to the Sindhis living in India?
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Hi Omar seems you didn't reply my question regarding Sindhis.
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Originally posted by Zagros

Baluchistan and NWFP were annexed from Afghanistan by the British and became part of Pakistan as a result.

Would you like to tell us more about that Zagros.I was ignorant about this fact.
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Originally posted by Jhangora

Hi Omar seems you didn't reply my question regarding Sindhis.

 Majority of Pakistanis (except Pathans and Baluchis) are of Indian descent. But since Punjab and Sindh were ruled by outside rulers for a long time there must be a sizeable genetic mix for some sections of the society. As for Indian Sindhis and Pakistani Sindhis majority of them are of the same genetic stock.
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Originally posted by Arjun

Originally posted by Jhangora

Hi Omar seems you didn't reply my question regarding Sindhis.

 Majority of Pakistanis (except Pathans and Baluchis) are of Indian descent. But since Punjab and Sindh were ruled by outside rulers for a long time there must be a sizeable genetic mix for some sections of the society. As for Indian Sindhis and Pakistani Sindhis majority of them are of the same genetic stock.

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Originally posted by Jhangora

Originally posted by Zagros

Baluchistan and NWFP were annexed from Afghanistan by the British and became part of Pakistan as a result.

Would you like to tell us more about that Zagros.I was ignorant about this fact.

Sorry jhongaro, but wouldnt it be easier to list all the questions in one post?
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Originally posted by malizai_

Originally posted by Jhangora

Originally posted by Zagros

Baluchistan and NWFP were annexed from Afghanistan by the British and became part of Pakistan as a result.

Would you like to tell us more about that Zagros.I was ignorant about this fact.

Sorry jhongaro, but wouldnt it be easier to list all the questions in one post?

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