"Slavic settlements in the Balkans"

Not even going to waste my time searching for lame crap like that.

Who invaded the Balkans in the 6th century!

There was no INVASION! There were migrations caused by the Hunic raids. It was the Huns, Avars, Goths, Visigoths, Tatars, Bulgars and similar Asiatic tribes that intruded into European continent. IF you take a look at the map of Europe, it turns out that Austria, Hungary, and Romania are the belt that divides the otherwise compact Slavic world.

The intrusion of Huns and Avars caused, say, the Serbian tribes who populated the Danube region to split in Lusatian Serbs (living in Germany mostly), and Balkan Serbs.

If we suppose that the South Slavs came to the Balkans from behind the Carpathians, then we have to explain how they crossed the already settled lands of the Huns and Avars, who were well known for their blood-thirsty nature.

If one should study Venetology and the Vinca and Danube scripts, then one may see the similarity of the neolithic literacy with that of the Cyrillic epoch. There was a continuation of the use of this script which can be found on rocks all across Macedonia today.

If one studies Homer's both style and linguistic content, one will surely recognize a lot of Slavic elements in its epics, which brings us to conclusion that the Slav speaking substratum had been present on the Balkans, prior to the supposed "INVASIONS'.

If you take into consideration the discovery with the Demotic text of the Rosetta stone, than you will certainly complete this mosaic with the cornerstone, which is the ancient Macedonian language, that was of Slavic group.

The Russian Academy has already made its turn:

http://www.mia.com.mk/portal/page?_pageid=113,166290&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&VestID=44953631&prikaz=24&cat=6

"St. Petersburg, May 13 (MIA) - The Russians and other Slavs didn't migrate from the north to the south, instead they originated from the south and moved to the north, claimed Russian academician Valery Chudinov, who takes part at the first intenational congress titled "Pre-Cyrillic Literacy and Pre-Christian Culture among Slavs", being held in Pushkin near St. Petersburg, Russia."

It is time for the Greek to do the same.

Old views are abandoned in the face of the archaeological truth that emerges all around the place.

And as Homer put it in his Iliad, the people living north from the Olympus mountain speak the same language and are as numerous as the leaves in the forest.

If you consider the above, than in Homer's time, the Slav speaking tribes occupied a wide area from Olympus to the Russian steppes, and WERE and still ARE the most numerous linguistic group of people in Europe.

This is what the VINCA culture studies suggests:

"The Danube Script appeared some 7,000 years ago in the Danube valley: in Serbia, Kosovo-Metohija, Southern Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia and northern Greece. It flourished for one and a half millennia. Around 5,500 years ago, a social upheaval eclipsed this and other elements of the advanced culture of the Danube Civilization. Some researchers argue that there were devastating invasions of new populations from the steppes while others have hypothesised the imposition of new dominant elites."

http://www.prehistory.it/ftp/arta_populara01.htm

Moreover:

"These three small, inscribed tablets started a debate that is challenging the conventional wisdom of European prehistory, because they have been dated from around 6.500 years ago.¹ Some scholars argue they date even earlier at 7,300 years old.² More prudent researchers, date the stones to 6,000-5,800 years ago. In any case, the astonishing question is did the South-eastern Neolithic Europe develop its own script before Sumeria and Egypt?"

We are talking about the Tartaria Tablets here, which according to Wikipedia, "are generally believed to have belonged to the Vinča culture, which at the time was believed by Serbian and Romanian archaeologists to have originated around 2700 BC."

It turns out that the Dorian tribes were the first to INVADE the Balkans, according to Homer, and devastated the Mycenaean and Minoan civilizations, their scripts Linear A and B being of the Vinca and Danube type. They founded the Greek city-states and started the Greek civilization. The guests abused their hosts' hospitality and later betrayed the Macedonians who were Slav speaking, and barbarians to the Dorian Greeks, and akin to the Mycenaean predecessors of the Greek land!

Then it was the Huns, Avars, Goths, Visigoths, Tatars, and Bulgars that invaded the Balkans in the middle ages, and caused serious dis-functioning of the Byzantine Empire otherwise ruled by Macedonians.

The Bulgarians were the newcomers on the Balkans, however the hospitality of the Macedonians was to that extent that they even gave them literacy to allow them independent existence from the Byzantine rule!

Then it was the Turks who INVADED the Balkans, and the Macedonians were again the humble hosts who gave Turkey Atatürk, who was born in Solun and educated in Bitola, and in love with a Macedonian girl, Elena, which all in all influenced him to do what he did in order to make Turkey a modern democratic state!

All these were the INVADERS starting with the Dorian Greeks and the Macedonians were always here offering hospitality to all! But look how you have retaliated.

There is an inscription on a clay plate, from Gradeshnica near Vraca in the Republic of Macedonia, which according to Marija Gimbutas, dates back to c.5000 BC. According to Bulgarian archaeologists, it dates back to c. 3500 BC. IT belongs to the Vinca culture and if compared to the Cyrillic script it gives a message:

http://www.unet.com.mk/ancient-macedonians-part2/spomenici11-e.htm

"HIDE NOW
PEOPLE, BAD AS DOGS
WHO COME DISGUISED,
ARE COMING AGAIN"

WOW! This is a 5000 or more years old message.

Who was this mystic who prophesied what was to come in the future, and warn all the Macedonians, or better say Slav speaking people of Macedonia, that BAD PEOPLE as DOGS are going to come again?

This has been the sad truth about Macedonia! And bad people are still coming, such as the Albanians who are a hybrid nation comprised of many ethnic groups among which an Iranian tribe of Albanoi who were settled in the Balkans by the Turks and given freedom to terrorize the local population in order to extort them to convert to Islam.

Even in modern times, we are facing the same reality, and the mysterious author of the 5000 years old clay plate still has a powerful message for us, that has not lost any of its meaning.

How strange! It is again the political nation of Greece that is trying to persuade us to accept the lies, instead of accepting the truth and allowing us to live in freedom. After all we hosted you and did not ask anything from you! See how you retaliated! You do not even have Christian mercy in your hearts, not talking about gratitude or humane compassion.

Shame on you ALL!!!

"I guess being an Albanologist and translating original documents about Albanians in english is considered a crime now."

Actually no where does he say Albanians are Epirotes or that Albanians are of Alexander the Great's stock. He said that he is an Epirote and his people went to India with Alexander. And then also mentioned that he shouldn't insult Albanians.

Indeed he is saying that his soldiers ancestours fought with Aleksander and not that they are of their same stock.Also he calls his soldiers Albanians or Epirotes,clearly two names describing the same people.Albanians were often called Epirotes,in those times,probably even Greeks in this forun wiil confirm this to you.

Epirots are Greeks even the name Epirus is Greek.

Not the epirotes fighting with Skanderbeg for sure.You can find the descendents of his soldiers still today,in south Italy,and they speak an call themselves Albanian.

Actually I havn't attacked you personally at all. You have. Instead of focusing on my point you keep repeating that i'm a troll. "Oh please moderators ban him so I don't have to argue his points he's a big meanie."

You used a racist remark,and you did it consciously.

And John Hunyadi was Romanian on his father's side but because of whom he served he was regarded as Hungarian. So obviously he would be considered an Albanian because he fought in Albania and for Albania.

Hunyady can be what ever you wan’t,but Skanderbeg not only fought in Albania but also was an Albanian and that’s why the prince of Taranto called him “Giorgio Albanese” (the Albanian).I told you before Skanderbeg can’t be Greek just because you say so. If you have read it somewhere in hope in some book,just bring here the quote or the author and let discuss, about it.Just a tip i know at least one famous english author(not historian though),that called him Greek,but i doub't you have ever heard about him.

 For the people here that really wan’t to know more,here is the full version of both letters,the one received and the reply of Scanderbeg.

The letter to Skanderbeg:

Ã’Giovanni Antonio, Prince of Taranto, to Georgio albanese, greeting.

(Conveniva a te?), that the luck you had shown in the war with the enemies of the Christian religion, which sometimes had forced combat, then leaving that field, you came to Italy to drive your armies against Christians? What cause do you hold against me? What have I done against you? What controversies do they make between us?

You have spoiled my territories and are crudely giving vent against my subjects, and first you have (mosso?) the war that (proposta?). You boast that you are a great warrior for the Christian religion and (pur?) yet you persecute this (geate?) which for every reason is called Christianity. You have turned your iron against the French of the Kingdom of Sicily. Perhaps you have thought to take the army against the effeminate Turks that you are accustomed to wounding in the back.

You will find other men who all support your proud appearance (?) and no one will avoid your face. Our Italian soldiers will challenge you very well and have no fear of the Albanese. We already know your generation and respect the Albanese like sheep, and it is an embarrassment to have such cowardly people for enemies; (neÕ?) would you have embarked on such a business if you had stayed to dwell in your house.

You have avoided the onslaught of the Turks, and not having the power to defend your own house, have thought to invade other peopleÕs. You are deceitful. Instead of a new house you are looking for your grave.

Skanderbegs answer:

Having made a truce with the enemy of my religion I have not wanted that my friend remain (fraudato) of my aid. (Spesse?) times, Alfonso, his father, invited my help while I waged war against the Turks. Therefore I would be very ungrateful if I had not resisted (lÕistesso?) service to his son. I remember what your king did because now (non deve vedere succedergli?) this who is his son? You adored his father, and why now do you try to throw out his son? Where did this power come from? Who has the power to set up the King of Sicily, you or the Roman Pontiff?

I came to aid Ferrante, son of the king and seat of the Apostolica. I came opposing your unfaithfulness and innumerable great betrayals in this kingdom. Will you ever be unpunished for your perjury. This is the reason for my war against you. I merit this no less than I merited making war against the Turks, nor are you less Turk than them. (ImperoccheÕ vi sono alcuni?) that guide you in a straight line not to be of some sect. You my opponents the French and the names of those people, and those for the religion wage grand war.

I do not want to dispute ancient matters with you, matters that perhaps were much less than what was told about them. Certainly in our times the Aragonese armadas have often coursed the Aegean Sea, have plundered the Turkish coasts, have (riportata?) the prey of the enemies; and even today the Aragonese armies defend Troja from the jaws of the enemy. Why do I remember the old things and leave the new parts? If they change the family costumes and the plowmen of the kingdom, and the kings of the plowmen return? (NeÕ troverai nobilitaÕ piuÕ antica della virtuÕ.)

Nor can I deny that you are not with the obnoxious French nation, (imperoccheÕ) you being mainly in aid of King Alfonso, you hunted the French of this kingdom. I do not know now what new virtue shines in this. Perhaps it is some new star that you have now seen among the French?

Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies.

I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?

In the past the Albanese have (fatto?) experience if the Pugilese were armed; (neÕ) I would again find some who would have been able to aspired to my nature. I have well noted from the back how many of your soldiers are well armed but have never been able to see their helmets or (tanpoco?) the face except those that have become prisoners. (NeÕ?) I seek your house (Bastandomi?) my own. Besides, it is well known that you often would have shot your neighbors for their possessions, as now you would force out the king of your house and your kingdom.

(Che se?) If I fall in the difficult task I have embarked on I will be buried as (mi vai?) wishing in your letter, will bring back my soul as a reward from the Chancellor of the universe, of God. Not only will I have perfected my intention, but also I will have planned and attempted some distinguished deed.

Good bye

I mentioned some similarities between Chechnyan language and Albanian because I am trying to figure out the ethnic composition. But you take it as an attack on your country and slip out. Perhaps a national character which explains a lot of political issues in that area of the world. I'm not questioning your mother's virginity, I simply want to learn and I had some questions.

First of all none here is talking about you mothers sexual life,and none is interested,there are hundred of others examples you can do to make your point clear, unless you are trying to provoke another reaction like the one GoldenBlood had some days ago,however i cordially ask you to choose your words better next time.

But ok lets see again some of those Checenian words.

CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA as other members said this is not how chechenians call themselves
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA  the correct term would be the Gheg Albanian Shkipni

Chechen=alsamoo,Albanian=me shume,English=more

This is simply ridiculous.Like always the letter ë  here is never used that has a totally different sound from e.So the correct form would be : më shumë.

Well me shume means more thats true but just go and check in a dictionary and you will find this

Clearly Shume derives from the Latin Summa,and it has nothing to do with Checenian

Chechen=aagan,Albanian=eker,English=wild

The correct form is i egër,But do you want some other similarities?We have savage(eng),selavagio(ita).So I guess a lot of other europians are indeed checenians.

Chechen=aara dalan,Albanian=jashte dal,English=get out

Here the Author is playing dirty.Jashtë dal means Out Get,so it means nothing,obviously the order of the words was reversed on purpose,the right form is Dal jashte.and the meaning is not exactly “get out” but “I get out”.Probably aara means dal and Dalan meams jasht.so we are dealing with two totally different words,and an open manipulation.

Chechen=aaradaqqa,Albanian=terhoqa,Engli sh=withdra w

Again a mistake.Tërhoqa means withdrawed,withdraw instead is Tërheq,and in Gheg(old) Albanian instead tërhiek.Again nothing in common.

Chechen=aaradovlilla,Albanian=rrugedalje ,English=e xit

This bs is really disgusting.To understand why just see the example above aara dalan were the Albanian translation Dal jashte was intentionally reversed in Jashte dal to make dalan look the same with dal.Where indeed Dal is the same word with aara,and the proof is also this last example.

In AAra Dovliva obviously AAra means out and in the Albanian word Rrugëdalje  Dalje(the same as dal) means out,exit,instead rruge means way,road.so the correct translation would be WAYOUT.Since we finally understood that aara is the same with dal,dalje,i guess the other part of these words should look similar,lets see-

Dovliva-RRuge…uh very “similar” indeed.

So man spare me this crap and next time go find smth better,if you wan’t to sustain at least a decent debate.

Proves my point. His dynasty stems from the city of Constantinople. ROMANS, and more then likley Greek if not Latin. Epirus may have been ruled over via a seat in Albania. But yes thank you for proving my point. Skanderbeg's linnage is Greek via Constantinople which was mostly a Greek remnant of the Roman Empire which explains even why his seal was the double headed "Byzantine" Empire eagle.

No it proves nothing,since the one talking is Gjon Muzaka, (John Musachi)an Albanian lord,and also despot of epirus,and he is speaking about his family not Skanderbegs.so that was  just another example of Albania and Epirus used together.

But here it is the part where he speaks about Scanderbeg.

Later, during the reign of Murad the Second, Scanderbeg arrived, the son of Lord John Castriota, who ruled over Matia (Mat) in Albania.

He then took to the road with a number of Albanians who were with him and, having arrived in Albania, entered Kruja. He presented the decree to the governor and the governor turned the place over to him. He thus became Lord of Kruja, a mighty fortress. All the rulers of Albania rejoiced at the event and Scanderbeg immediately became a Christian.

He then summoned the said rulers of Albania to a meeting at Alessio (Lezha) (9). Some came in person and others sent their representatives. Thus the said Scanderbeg became their commander-in-chief in Albania and each of them donated either men or money according to his capabilities. Other sons of these noblemen also served under his command, taking part in the war and defending their country.

 

Sure it does. In those times for example citizenship didn't mean the same as it did today. If a spaniard woman gave birth to her child in Moesia he was still ethnicly Spaniard but he would probably be refered to as Moesian.

I'm not seeing any valid arguements from either one of you, just wishful thinking and a lot of eye squinting.

 Spania,Moesia?What are you talking about? 

There’s not an North Albanian citizenship,but an Albanian citizenship.So If they say;born in North Albania,that’s a geographical indication,and again do you know where north Albania is and where is Greece?

However here you have more quotes from Gibbon.

Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 11 (1776)

John Castriot, the father of Scanderbeg,⁴⁰ was the hereditary prince of a small district of Epirus or Albania, between the mountains and the Adriatic Sea.

The gates of Croya were opened to the royal mandate; and no sooner did he command the fortress than George Castriot dropped the mask of dissimulation, abjured the Prophet and the sultan, and proclaimed himself the avenger of his family and country. The names of religion and liberty provoked a general revolt: the Albanians, a martial race, were unanimous to live and die with their hereditary prince; and the Ottoman garrisons were indulged in the choice of martyrdom or baptism

His manners were popular; but his discipline was severe; and every superfluous vice was banished from his camp; his example strengthened his command; and under his conduct the Albanians were invincible in their own opinion and that of their enemies

At the head of sixty thousand horse and forty thousand Janizaries,⁴⁴ Amurath entered Albania: he might ravage the open country, occupy the defenceless towns, convert the churches into moschs, circumcise the Christian youths, and punish with death his adult and obstinate captives, but the conquests of the sultan were confined to the petty fortress of Sfetigrade; and the garrison, invincible to his arms, was oppressed by a paltry artifice and a superstitious scruple.⁴⁵ Amurath retired with shame and loss from the walls of Croya, the castle and residence of the Castriots; the march, the siege, the retreat, were harassed by a vexatious and almost invisible adversary;⁴⁶ and the disappointment might tend to embitter, perhaps to shorten, the last days of the sultan.⁴⁷ In the fulness of conquest, Mahomet the Second still felt at his bosom this domestic thorn; his lieutenants were permitted to negotiate a truce; and the Albanian prince may justly be praised as a firm and able champion of his national independence.

And by the way there's no need to judge my arguements,since none is trying to convince you.