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Topic: Spartans+Samurai vs Saurons Army(!) Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 05:33 |
Who you think will win that battle?Sauron's beasts or some of the elite of real human nature?
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Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 18:52 |
do we have numbers?
LOTR guys were all like OMG! 10,000 is a $#!tload of soldiers!
Spartans and Samurai would be able to field many times that amount
oh yeah, and those 10,000 pikemen fell to 5 cavalry
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 09:20 |
Yeah, replace the beornings with berserkers, rangers with templars and the eagles with F-16, Sauron stands no chance.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 10:23 |
Numbers?Let's say 3.000 Spartans and 3.000 Samurai against 20.000 Orcs ,Trolls ,Uruk-Hais etc.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 16:01 |
Thus has Tolkien invaded history...lol the thought of this fight is hilarious but obviously it doesnt matter about numbers...Spartans and Samurai would think there were some kind of demon and they would run away
Let us clarify what Sauron is this...Is it the First age Sauron, the Second Age Sauron, the 3rd?
Hlasta! Quetis Ilfirimain: Corma turien te Corma tuvien Corma tultien te Huines se nutien. Tercno Nuruva. Tuvien Corma tultien te Huinesse nutien Corma turien te Corma.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 16:22 |
well the question is absurd but oh well. Besides Spartans and Samurai???
How about this, we choose an actual army that went into the field. i'd say the army Scipio led onto the field at Illipia would make minse meat of Sauron's army.
Or hell Subotai would have Sauron running for his life screaming like a small child.
Or Temujin who would probably demand that the "imposter" get out of his tower.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 17:22 |
Guys,it's historical AMUSEMENT.Even an absurd question like this,it's justifiable since it's for your relaxing and amusement.And please,remain to the army we have.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 17:24 |
Oh,i forgot.It's the 3rd Age Sauron.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 17:35 |
Originally posted by Spartakus
Oh,i forgot.It's the 3rd Age Sauron. |
ok we'll take it from his last battle:
in the battle before the black gate sauron used trolls,orcs,nazgul,those huge elphants and the people from east(on middle earth)
our earthly guys wouldn't be able to fight because of the terror
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 17:41 |
Let's overcome that little detail,since we can do whatever we want in fantasy .Let's say that those 6.000 fighters are used to fighting beasts,they have the experience.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 17:44 |
And plz,put Nazguls aside.Only Easterlings,Haradrims,Orcs,Uruk-Hai,Trolls.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 17:46 |
Next thing is to choose the battlefield.Where could 6.000 brave soldiers could stand a chance against Sauron's army?
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Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 20:40 |
Originally posted by aknc
Originally posted by Spartakus
Oh,i forgot.It's the 3rd Age Sauron. |
ok we'll take it from his last battle:
in the battle before the black gate sauron used trolls,orcs,nazgul,those huge elphants and the people from east(on middle earth)
our earthly guys wouldn't be able to fight because of the terror
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Well i mean, the humans in Return of the King did fight, even though they were scared. The Spartans and Samari's would nbeed to be preped and well informed of who they are fighting, and not just meet an army of trolls and such on a battle field. The phallanx formation could take care of the elephonts,and maybe the samuri coukld shoot down the nazgul..
I would say the main bulk of footmen would be Spartans, and horsemen and archers mainly Samuris, unless you could get some Cretian Archers or Rhodian slingers.
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Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 05:42 |
(first post btw
Well I would have to say Pellenors fields are good.
and Saurons army would consist of;
*Orcs as the main attack-force, supported by Uruks and Trolls. (Actually I think Sauron had alot of Uruks in the end).
*His allies from the East would have heavy infantry and chariots.
*His allies from South would have alot of cavalry (not shown in the movie for some stupid reason) and the Mumakils.
So lets say a huge army of spartans was to face all theese armies. Then
it all depends on if Sauron's general (he cant be there himself) has
any sense of strategi. If so, just send the Mumakils (totaly smashes
the spartan lines), then send the chariots to run the dissorganised
spartans to the ground, and then let the orcs deal overpower the
survivors.
So spartans stand no chance if the Mumakils are allowed to be part of the battle.
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Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 13:04 |
Originally posted by Arn de Gothia
(first post btw
Well I would have to say Pellenors fields are good.
and Saurons army would consist of; *Orcs as the main attack-force, supported by Uruks and Trolls. (Actually I think Sauron had alot of Uruks in the end). *His allies from the East would have heavy infantry and chariots. *His allies from South would have alot of cavalry (not shown in the movie for some stupid reason) and the Mumakils.
So lets say a huge army of spartans was to face all theese armies. Then it all depends on if Sauron's general (he cant be there himself) has any sense of strategi. If so, just send the Mumakils (totaly smashes the spartan lines), then send the chariots to run the dissorganised spartans to the ground, and then let the orcs deal overpower the survivors.
So spartans stand no chance if the Mumakils are allowed to be part of the battle.
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I don't think mumakils will be too happy charging into a line of spearmen... especially the spartans
Like i said above, having the samuri's as calvary and calvary archers could harass the otgher calvary and orcs.
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Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 14:21 |
hmm, you know, Mumakils are really really huge! I think their very running will make the spartan lines move.
Also, if Sauron is allowed to have trolls, and armoured Olog-hai trolls, then the spartans can hardly fight in tight formations.
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Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 16:45 |
Originally posted by Arn de Gothia
hmm, you know, Mumakils are really really huge! I think their very running will make the spartan lines move. Also, if Sauron is allowed to have trolls, and armoured Olog-hai trolls, then the spartans can hardly fight in tight formations.
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Yes,they are really big, bigger than elephants, but they still die as elephants. Perhaops the spartans could use longer pikes instead of spears. I do think the spartans would not run, they are very disaplined. Archers and skirmishers could hit the trolls from afar, but i guess more spearpoint at the trolls..
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 10:08 |
Pretty interesting question, indeed. But why did you choose the
Spartans as partners for the Samurai (they have nothing in common). I'd
prefer some Persian soldiers, because I think they stand a better
chance against the Mumakils.
Anyway, in the situation you've chosen, I think the human forces will
be victorious, mostly because of the Samurai warriors.
Their swords might be the only chance to penetrate the thick skin
of those huge Mumakils. Besides that, the Spartans will
kill most of the Orcs and the Uruk-Hai, because of their physical
strength. So once again, congratulations HUMANS.
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