Creation of the Universe

Exactly, religious people just further prove what fools they are when they use this argument.  Its their job to prove god exists and not someone elses job to prove he doesnt.  If we had to prove negatives science would never go anywhere!  We would have to study things simply to prove we are not figments in an imgination or that godzilla is not real.

 I want you all to examine this ladybird (I couldn't find the specimen I wanted so this would do). Then comment about it in a scientific (mathematical) or  religious POV as according to your belief. 

'0<1' is not an axiom. It follows from the definition of '0' and '1' and '<'. It is a tautology.

'God exists' is an axiom - at least it can be taken as one - because it does not follow from the definition of 'God' and 'exists'.

If 'God exists' is not taken as axiomatic it is not provable. Even if it is taken as an axiom in a logical system, there is no reason to suppose that that logical system applies to the universe.

You cannot derive conclusions about the universe by logical deduction. You can derive hypotheses that way, but the applicability ('truth') of the hypotheses can only be demonstrated by observing experiments.

All scientists are sceptical about science. That's what makes them scientists. What they are not sceptical about is scepticism.

Yes, I have heard about the string theory. Basically it states that all quarks are composed of meshed "super-strings". Quarks are the basic components that build up atomic particles such as protons and neutrons (an electron is a quark as well), as well as unstable particles such as mesons, bosons, etc. I'm not going to go into a lecture about sub-atomic particles, but suffice to say that by observing high speed colisions between subatomic particles, scientists have determined that super-strings have to have more than 4 dimensions, possibly as many as 10. So this is one way to have parralel universes: if the basic building blocks of our universe have more dimensions than our universe, it follows that you could have several universes built out of the same blocks. Depending on the number of total dimensions, and which dimensions make up each universe, events in a parralel universe may or may not interfere with our own universe.

Another way to have parralel universes stems from the fact that our universe is not straight, but rather curved. Imagine the surface of the Earth: if you go in a straight line, you will eventually arrive at your starting point. The surface of the Earth has no boundaries but it's finite. In the same way, our universe has no boundaries, but it's also finite. In theory, you could travel in a straight line across the universe and arrive at your starting point. One way that I visualise the universe is like a giant ball which contains everything inside, and where you can only travel via very slightly curved lines. Of course the analogy is imperfect, but it helps you realize that there may be empty "space" outside of our universe. I put space in quotations marks, because space is either a property of our universe or a construct of the human mind, but we have no better term for that somewhere which does not have any dimensions and which exists outside of our universe. Anyway, in theory, you could have an infinity of universes outside of our own existing in this "space". Just imagine billions of self-contained bubbles, with no way of interfering with each other, and each with their own rules. For example, gravity as we know it, may be unknown as a force in another universe: that universe would be extremely different from our own.

But can prove he does exist.

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lol, I know what you mean but your slight mispelling makes a totally different word that...means something very different.

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.I'm sorry .When I sit at computer these days I'm drunk so please forgive me.

Or that means there is no reason to belive any religion false. but someone has to be wrong. ok everyone but one religion has to be wrong. also the fight is not science and religion because science has not proved Evolution at all.

Does this sound logical?:

Fosils date rocks and Rocks date fosils therefore we know the earth is     4 billion years old.

I debate so I know what logic is (3 hour class every monday) that is not logic.