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Topic: Iranian Huns and the Ghaljay Afghans Posted: 23-Jan-2006 at 23:24 |
Yeah the Hephtalites could not have just been wiped out, they were dispersed and it is very probable that the Hepthalites made a dent into the Pashtun ethnic makeup because they were said in the same breath as the Tukharians.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2005 at 01:30 |
If that's the case, then again the Ghilji are IE by blood. Like how you said they might've been Tukharians, and then Hunnified then Turkified and at last Pashtunized, since Pashtuns are originally IE people, therefore the Ghilji in real sense cannot be considered real Turks. If you know what i mean....
Some Afghan scholars associate Ghiljis with the Hephtalites who ruled the areas around Zabol - Paktya, which are now pure Pashto speaking areas. I think this has some historical significance, as both Hephtalites and Ghiljis are located in the same locations.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2005 at 15:15 |
The Khilji being Turks has been identified by Muslim sources. But the Muslim sources also mentions them with the same breath as the Tukharians, which we all know, is an Indo-European tribe that predated the Turks. The probably scenario is that they were Hunnified, and later Turkified, and today - Pashtunized.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2005 at 00:07 |
The theory of Turkic Khalji has been rejected by Afghan scholars i think, it holds no historical signifcance.
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Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 16:15 |
Originally posted by Aryan Khadem
I wonder why regardless of archaeological and DNA evidence do people disregard the Term Iranian tribes. As for Afghani's well lets say this Afghanistan was formed in 1893 with the help of the british who were carving up Iran to help stop the Russians getting to India.... There is no such thnig as Afhghani's only Iranians,Persians are just one of the many Iranian tribes and peoples. read my posts on slavs...... This is also backed up by DNA analysis. If you dispute it then don't leave your opinion back it up with something....
Try to show some smarts and think outside you nationalists box please people and look at evidence, if you really disagree then back it up with sources and bibliographys etc
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Are you speaking to me or somebody else?
As for Afghanistan being created in 1893, Afghanistan as a nation did not even become a 'nation' until the 20th century. The word "Afghan" on a national term meant all inhabitants of Afghanistan under the royal decree of Emir Abdur-Rahman Khan.
Before that period, from 1747 until the late 1800's, the region of "Afghanistan" was under different kings, but mainly under the dominion of the Pashtun ethnic group. Badakhshan, Balkh, and even parts of Uzbekistan were known to show more alignment towards Kabul rather than Bokhara, Delhi, or Isfahan. The irresponsible heir of the great Afghan leader Ahmad Shah Durrani (in his only accomplishment) married women from every town and city acquired under Durrani's kingdom which helped unify the kingdom under Kabul rather than other ciities. Despite revolts by the Uzbeks, the kingdom showed allegiance to Kabul, hence it has and was incorporated into "Afghanistan."
The word "Afghan" has been cited and used in its different forms before and after the Sassanids and mentioned in Sanskrit and Chinese. It was also mentioned by the Warrior Poet "Khushal Khan Khattak" during the Moghul period.
In conclusion, the more moden word 'Afghanistan" and its citizen known as "Afghans" is a national term referring to all people within the territorial borders of Afghanistan. The more historical "Afghan" refers to the Pashtuns/Pakhtun of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the "Pathan" of Northwestern India, Bangladesh, and Kashmir.
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Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 15:00 |
is that not clear???
Thell me the part thet u don't understand, and i will explain with the great pleasure waht I wanted to say
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Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 14:40 |
What are you talking about?
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Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 14:36 |
I think Kurds, Turks living in Iran, Lors and Persians has its own language
Just the officiakl language is persian
But my dear, I can talk with Kirgiz or Kazak without translators
And also, TURKIC was invented by Persian guys,
There TURKISH, but not TURKIC
We are from the same origin-we are the same nations with same culture, religion and language and IDEA
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Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 13:36 |
The meaning of Iranic is the same as Turkic.
Uzbeks, Turkmen, Kyghiz for example are Turkic
Lors, Baluchis, Persians are Iranic
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Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 12:32 |
I know that u got Idea, so I have no another word to tell to u
so, calm down
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 01:45 |
What has america got to do with this topic? I am not american please state what is ment by you can be american?
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 22:07 |
Yah, it is true, and u can be American
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 02:01 |
No sorry I do not get your point, Since Kurds, Persians, Lors, etc are called part of the Iranian or Iranic Family, Race, Tribe...... Iran is a country do not confuse the two, the country is one, You can be Iranian without being Aryan of from Iranic tribe
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 00:01 |
I mean, i cannot understand what u call Iranic???
There is not a tribe or nation that calls Iran tribe etc.
There is Persian, Kurdish, Lors, Azerb. turks and others that live under Iran flag, I mean the name of the land is Iran
As Azerbaijan and Armenia-Turks and Hayes
did u get my point???
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 17:10 |
Please Janissary can you explain what you mean by this, thank you
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Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 19:23 |
ok, i got
I knew that they were, But I mean today there is no any Iranic Tribe like Kurdish or turkish. I wanna u get my point
I know that some of them were the part of Aryans, and later Iran
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Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 23:07 |
You are wrong, Persians/Kurds/Lors/Pashtuns/Baloch/Mazandarani/Gilaki/Talys h/Tat/Tajik/Zaza are part of the Iranic family and they originate from a common Indo-European tribe, many of those groups live in one nation and it is correctly called Iran.
Iran has been referred to as a land for these peoples since antiquity, you can find it mentioned in the ancient texts of the zend avesta and in the inscriptions of the ancient kings.
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Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 22:52 |
I did not understand your point:
There is no Any Nation That its name is IRAN
There are Persians, Kurds, Turks, Lors? and etc. nations which are living together under the flag of Iran state.
Am I wron, and also, The DNA analys, if i am Turkish (And I am oguz ) then my DNA analysis must be same with Turkey turkish, with Turkmens and e.t.c.
But Scientists cant just discuss that "Azerbaijan nation" and "Kazakistan Nation" have the same DNA
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Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 11:18 |
Originally posted by Aryan Khadem
I wonder why regardless of archaeological and
DNA evidence do people disregard the Term Iranian tribes. As for
Afghani's well lets say this Afghanistan was formed in 1893 with the
help of the british who were carving up Iran to help stop the Russians
getting to India.... There is no such thnig as Afhghani's only
Iranians,Persians are just one of the many Iranian tribes and peoples.
read my posts on slavs...... This is also backed up by DNA analysis. If
you dispute it then don't leave your opinion back it up with
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In the 1720s, an Afghan revolt was the main cause of the fall of
Safavid Persia. For some time, I think, Afghans were independent.
Obviously what diferentiated them at the time wasn't a particular
ethnicity mostly but diference of faith: they were Sunnites and the
Safavids, as the majority of Persians or Iranians were Shiite.
Anyhow, you know: Danes, Germans, Dutch and English are all Germanic... but that doesn't mean they are all the same.
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Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 10:42 |
Afghan is another term for Pashtuns I believe, Afghanan can clarify.
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