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Temujin
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Topic: Relations between Uyghur, Oghuz, Ugur and Hongir Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 14:38 |
Originally posted by Feramez
Originally posted by Midas
The difference between Turks and Hungarians is like Germans and French... Same language family... But we are different... But both of us are coming from the steppes of Asia... |
The current Hungarian language is not in the same language family as Turkish...the Altaic family.
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moreover, neither are French and German. French is a Romanic language while German is a Germanic (duh!) language...
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Feramez
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Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 18:11 |
Originally posted by Temujin
Originally posted by Feramez
Originally posted by Midas
The difference between Turks and Hungarians is like Germans and French... Same language family... But we are different... But both of us are coming from the steppes of Asia... |
The current Hungarian language is not in the same language family as Turkish...the Altaic family.
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moreover, neither are French and German. French is a Romanic language while German is a Germanic (duh!) language...
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Well those 2 are just obvious, I don't think he was saying German and French are Altaic languages.
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Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 12:08 |
Originally posted by Feramez
A question for Raider, do most present day Hungarians recognize their ancient Turkish brotherhood? Or is it forgotten or just ignored among most Hungarians? |
Certainly. The turk relation is much more popular than the finno-ugric relation. The culture of the ancient hungarians are more and more popular again.
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Midas
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Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 12:27 |
I didn't mean German and French are Altaic...
I meant; German is Germanic and French is Latin but both are Indo-European... Just like both Hungarian and Turkish are Ural-Altayic language...
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minchickie
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 00:12 |
Originally posted by Raider
Originally posted by Murtaza
No, I dont know another name for macaristan.
Raider do you have much Turkish word? I mean I read from a cite, some words(not much) and some words have same root with turkish words.
http://www.hunmagyar.org/
LOL.
A Turanian page, made my magars
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Of course there are many word with turk origin in Hungarian language. The bulk of these came from the ancient turks, and some of them from the ottoman-turks.
Here is some example:
Ancient turk:
gyilkos - murderer
barom - cattle
kapu - gate
tr - cottage cheese
sajt - cheese
bika - bull
kr - ox
borj - veal
kecske - goat
diszn - pig
tyk - hen
bza - wheat
rpa - barley
sarl - sickle
gymlcs - fruit
alma - apple
krte - pear
szl - rape
bor - wine
gyomor - stomach
becslet - honour
Ottoman turk:
korbcs - scourge
harcsol - greedy collecting
kv - coffee
martalc - marauder
csizsma - boots
papucs - slippers
dvny - divan
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THESE words are the SAME in HUNGARIAN!!!!!!
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minchickie
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 00:14 |
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 00:21 |
they are starting to find out now that Hungarian is more ALtaic than the "finno-ugriac" that it has been said to be closer to for so long.
(a) Webster's 1913 Dictionary courtesy of Project Gutenberg, defines 'Magyar' as 'One of the dominant people of Hungary, allied to the Finns; a Hungarian'. (There is no 'alliance' with the Finns other than a tenuous linguistic connection separated by about 4000 years!)
There are many theories on what the designation 'Magyar' means and on its origins.
The proper designation for a Hungarian is 'Magyar', and it is believed to derive from the Ugrian 'Mansi' or 'Magy' with the addition of the Turkic '-eri.' forming 'Megyeri' 'Magyen.' 'Magyar', which was the name of the largest Hungarian tribe. Both particles mean "men". [zb] However, the whole etymology is uncertain. [Chong]
The Western designation of 'Hungar-' is seen as having different origins. It is thought that the Magyar became a part of a loose federation of semi-nomadic group, the Onogurs or 'The Ten Arrows' or ten tribes from which some claim derives 'Hungarian'. Others claim the word is an old Turkish (turanian) word, 'Hun' = Hun, 'Gar' = 'Gur' = Great. So much uncertainty is conducive to much theorizing.
for more read this:
http://member.melbpc.org.au/~tmajlath/index1.html
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Aygucu Tonyukuk
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 07:16 |
"A zsembemben sok alma van" Magyar
"Cebimde chok elma var" Turkish
That sentence means "There are many apples in my pocket."
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Yiannis
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 07:35 |
Originally posted by Aygucu Tonyukuk
That sentence means "There are many apples in my pocket."
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And I was pondering, how does that phrase sounds in Hungarian
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Posted: 11-Jul-2005 at 07:43 |
Vogul language:
- Hurem n vitnel huligel husz hul pugi.
- Hrom n a vzbl hlval hsz halat fog.
- Three women trawl twenty fishes by fishnet.
- Hurem-szt-husz hulach-szem empem viten eli.
- Hromszzhsz hollszem ebem vzen l.
- My 320 raven-eyed dogs live by water
Osztyak
- Pegte lau lasinen menl tou szilna.
- Fekete l lassan megy a t szln.
- Black horse slowly goes in the shore of the lake.
Finnish
- Jn alla talvella elvt kalat uiskentelevat.
- Jg alatt tlen eleven halak szklnak.
- At Winter living fishes swim under the ice.
- Kivist verinen oli vvyn ksi.
- Kvektl vres volt veje keze.
- The hand of his son-in-law was bloody because of the rocks.
- Orvon silm kyyneli tynn.
- rva szeme knnyel tele.
- Orphan's eyes are full with tears.
- Kuka meni meidn edessmme?
- Ki ment mielttnk?
- Who went before us?
- Minini antoi voita.
- Menyem adott vajat.
- My daughter-in-law gave butter.
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Posted: 14-Jul-2005 at 08:43 |
Originally posted by Feramez
A question for Raider, do most present day Hungarians recognize their ancient Turkish brotherhood? Or is it forgotten or just ignored among most Hungarians? |
YES for sure! I would say Ancient Turk though more so, and that list the words in ancient turk that were posted back there are identical the same in hungarian!
There are some Hungarians that wont admit they are asian/turk related because they were taught to hate Turks probably which is sad and pathetic !
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Posted: 14-Jul-2005 at 11:32 |
Why were they taught to hate Turks?
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Posted: 14-Jul-2005 at 11:42 |
Feramez lets guess,
hmmm
bingo, Ottomans
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Posted: 14-Jul-2005 at 12:46 |
Ha, ooops..
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Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 03:47 |
Originally posted by minchickie
Originally posted by Feramez
A question for Raider, do most present day Hungarians recognize their ancient Turkish brotherhood? Or is it forgotten or just ignored among most Hungarians? |
YES for sure! I would say Ancient Turk though more so, and that list the words in ancient turk that were posted back there are identical the same in hungarian!
There are some Hungarians that wont admit they are asian/turk related because they were taught to hate Turks probably which is sad and pathetic !
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In Hungary nobody teach the children to hate turks.
minchickie:
You said that you lives in the USA. How do you know so surely what is thaught to children in Hungary?
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Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 05:19 |
as a matter of fact we Uyghur(Uighur) people commonly believe that we were originated Nine Oghuz tribes.
and current Uighur languege dictionaries include the word Oghuz ,it means a mother's milk after her baby just born.
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Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 05:38 |
Oguz means Ok(maning tribe)+uz(old Turkish plural suffix), Tribes. It was formed during the reign of Mete Khan, and Mete Khan, the Hun leader was the real Oguz Kaghan.
Onogur means On Oguz, meaning ten Oguz. Hungar comes from the word Onogur. So their origins are simply the same with ours, western Turks btw Lake Balkash (Kazakhstan) and Altays...
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