On the subject of Taiwan

Well. everybody doesnt want to see there are wars, poor people, famines, terrorists. Taiwan was a part of china written in both side's constitution. Its the top interest of whole chinese people. Of course chinese people dont want the island become a second chechenn of russia, thats why we promote peaceful reunification. Chinese people really respect people's lives, wills, rights, but also hope people in taiwan respects rights of mainland people on taiwan. (i never think disturbed separalist could bring a better life for people in taiwan) Why do you think a formal independence could get people in taiwan a better life?.

So what you are saying is, it is the China's hope and dreams to unify Taiwan.  And if Taiwanese refuses, even though China invades Taiwan, it would be the Taiwanese who started the war, and if Taiwan don't want a war, then Taiwan have to surrender.  Just like all the officials in China.  You know what this is, this is called a threat and a bully.

You don't give a crap about peace.  You don't give a crap about what Taiwanese people really want.  You just want what you need.  That is a strategically naval base that lets the Chinese navy have a presence in the pacific.

Why would Taiwanese have a better life if it is unified with China?  Besides the military base, you think China would put resources to Taiwan's economy and school systems or Taiwan's infrastructure?

Of course not, the Chinese have enough to worry about within their country.  Why would they move those resources away from Shanghai, TianJing, DaLian, BeiJing and their horrible rural infrastructure to invest in a place that will have retaliatory resistance everyday?

The fact is the real Taiwanese people who love my island will have far worse life than they will have now. 

I do envision Taiwan and China work together towards a great future.  Not as one huge inflexible, oppressive and corrupted state, but more like that of the European Union.  Each one a independent sovereignty that respects the other's right.  Each one can participate in the international community as their own.  And because of this, what our Union has to say will be two times louder in the international community.  That's the future Taiwanese people want, not some Chinese nationalism wishes of unifying with a bunch of people that cares less about our will than their ass wipe.

If Taiwan isn't an independent state right now, there will be no need to talk about unification.  Since it is already an independent state, and your wish is for unification, then China should treat Taiwan like a independent state with independent sovereignty. 

Belittling the Taiwanese government, belittling the Taiwanese people, twisting our will and wishes in the international communities just makes it that much harder for the Taiwanese to respect the Chinese, people or government alike.  It is in fact China's attitude making unification more and more impossible, not the other way around. 

How can you negotiate any kind of unification, when the other doesn't respect your sovereignty in the first place?  When someone tells you "let's negotiate, but if you don't do it my way, I'll strike you with military action!" 

Yeah, yeah, hear all you Chinese hypocrites criticizing American imperialism, when in fact China is the biggest freaking imperialist through out its history.

I am glad I don't have to call myself Chinese.  I am proud of being Taiwanese.

I guess that's why I full support the independence of Tibet, East TUrkistan and the unification of Mongolia.  Those poor Tibetans, they were never part of China and were only taken for Uranium deposites. 

If PRC's reason for take Tibet is valid, then Vietnam, Corean are all part of China then.

You, and most Chinese have this preconceived notion of this imaginary China.  And it is actually based on territory.  As if doesn't matter what happens to this place, it will always be China.  You can include as many places in to this imaginary China as you want when it is convenient for you.

It is none of the Taiwanese's wish to be unified with China as long as the leadership of China wants its people to believe in things like that. 

Taiwanese people are not pets.  We don't need treats.  We just want our freedom and self-determination.

Besides, looking at Hong-Kong, I don't buy any of the crap.

WARHEAD~~ look at this!! Wasn't it you that said China doesn't teach their children that Taiwan is related to China by blood?  Oh, wait, is it still me that's the one dellusional, or is it you?

By both sides, you mean Taiwan, and Taiwan right?

Funny how you mentioned "chinese people's interest".  Taiwanese people are chiense also.  Xiang Kei Shek left China and settled to Taiwan along many refugees, and therefore some Taiwanese are Chinese. 

You can't call this issue for chinese people's interest.  Taiwanese people want independence and thus it is not their interest to be united.   Though it might be the "Elitist Chinese government\s interest".

Taiwan is not 100% Chinese.  There are some natives involved.  Many people considers themselves taiwanese there.  And their economy is one of the mightiest in Asia.  They do not need Chinese help to become happy.

One instance is when my Friend, whos taiwanese, got so happy when taiwan won the taekwondo series.  I asked him: another medal for china I suppose.  And then he replied" no, what the heck, it was taiwanese medal!  We are not Chinese!"

Forcing them to become Chinese conjures repression the way Japanese forced asians to serve under the "great east asian empire".

Of course I would not blame you if Taiwanese did not like the government and wanted to become Chinese.  But it is not the case

Justifying Taiwan to be Chinese is mere justification to take over other asian countries like Korea.  It would result in more bloodshed, becasue China would only boil water even further.  It must explode at some point.  The question is where and when and how.

So, that's the mastermind behind claiming Koguri as Chinese, right?  To jsutify the conquer of North Korea once Kim Jong ill dies,,,,,,,,,.............

You know why your government wouldn't give up using force on Taiwan?  Because they know once there is no threat of force, everyone in Taiwan will want Independence.

The biggest arguement of independence (such as wrong word to use, more like deneying China's claim) is that a lot of people want to avoid war as long as possible.

Hey Hannibal,

    I have no idea what you're smoking.  What tragedy if Taiwan stays independent and equal?  And premier of demon?  That's what happens when you try to turn the table while making faulty assumptions of people.  And if you make assumptions, at least do some hw: there is 99% chance that demon is from South Korea.  What premier?  Man, you suck at using other people's words against themselves.

Peace,

Michael

9-3-2004

Add 1% to that  And by my posts, you should have known that

North Korea is a good example of a Utopia.  "No one" goes against the government.  You tell me what the people of NK suffer