Treason or free speech?????(Americans)

Please don't give me your revision history.

I don't understand what you mean by that. I found this info at the usconstitution.net. The forefathers didn't want any religeon in the gov't at all, and they all agreed on it. So what was my revision?

Most were Protestant, two were Roman Catholic. They all had different views on how style and method of worship between them. So all of them agreed no religeon sect and sieze power in anyway. They didn't want the American gov't to show favroritism for any religeon. Theres one Christian church that says they allow everyone no matter your view on life. I see them allowing marriage one day, if a religeon accepts that type of marriage and its their view point to allow it because they belive in it, your going to say its wrong because your own religeon says so?

My post was about that we can't favor Islam and they would never get a chance to take over America or any other religeous sect. But while I was making these points they related to other topics we had.

Also, you are twisting my words and the facts.

Don't know any facts I have twisted, got my info straight out of history. The gov't should have no say on personal life, and that counts as marriage, it should be left to the churches to decide. But they should allow the marriage of same sex if they do goto a court house to be wedded. The gov't has no part in these matters and is going against what many came here for, to leave religeous prosecution or having religeous freedom.

I'll continue most of the arguement in another thread. The point is that America and Americans won't allow one religeon surpass the others. There is no need for  the paranoia that Islam will take hold of America and start a reime here, its impossible and even if it was, Americans won't sit back and let it.

The part about people on these forums saying its disgusting and inhumane isn't directed towards you as a few other forumers on these boards have said in other posts. Some not American though...

Eaglecap I understand you love our country and have alot of pride on it, but your bordering on paranoia. There won't and never will be any Islamic Laws imposed on the US. And it definately wouldn't happen through flag burning.

Do you honestly believe that Americans would let one sect of religeon surpass any other in anyway thats beyond being of equal status? Look what happened to the ten commandments on that they had to be removed from The Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court court house building. He was removed from office for refusing to remove them.

James Madison-Christian forefather

James Madison, when speaking of the method and manner of the election of the members of the Congress, noted that even "Religion itself may become a motive to persecution and oppression," telegraphing his own desire for no religious test for government service. He had been a prime mover in the efforts of some Virginia lawmakers to ensure that no preference be given to any religion in that state, and that a proposed tax to aid religious efforts be defeated. Madison and one of the Pinkney cousins moved, in the waning days of the Convention, that the Congress be permitted the power to establish a university, with the express stipulation that "no preferences or distinctions should be allowed on account of Religion." The motion was turned down on a six to four vote, but it was another illustration of his desire to extend no preference to any religious sect.

From the Declaration of Idependence- I should probably post this in that gay parade section seeing as some of you Americans think we shouldn't allow gays the right of marriage or union, whatever you decide to call it, and the right that gives them happiness but you call their so called "life style" disgusting and inhuman.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Any American has the right to do that when the current gov't infringes on our rights, Life, Liberty and Happiness as said above. There is no worry of Islamic, Christian, or any other oppressive regime to take hold of our gov't, it will never happen.

Why love people that want to bring an end to democracy? Wouldn't people who want to bring an end to democracy make them an enemy to democracy,and we should love them for it?

Why?

I persoanlly have very negative views to people that move to a country only to speak of its evils.  If you dont like the west then dont come to the west!  Clearly the reason is money, but even still, at least acknowledge why you immigrated.

That being said on the other side I find the views of Americans on AE totally scary.  Of course anyone should be allowed to burn a flag, who the hell cares?  Not something I would do but Ill defend someoens right to do it.  The US is about freedom for the individual and I think the proto facists on AE dont repsect that.  Remember our foudning fathers were traitors to their country, many great reformers and nation founders are technically traitors.  America needs to be loved by its citizens, but it also needs to love the citizens that dont love it.  Knowing our weaknesses and having to respond to criticizm can only help our society.  Even silly religious fanatics from the ME should not be removed, although we sure can make fun of them anyway.

I would agree that the American flag on bathing suits, clothing is in its on way a disrespect to the country but burning one takes it to a malicious level...I have long believed that it is the polical correct democracy of America that is eventually going to destroy her... America cannot please every American and when an American states the he/she hates America then they are no longer entitled to their opinion on this good soil. Too many brave men died to see that Flag raised high over this land than to see a bunch of ignorant fools desecrating it on this soil; if they do not like it then leave, we dont wont you here and you evedently dont wont to be here!

Now to address the Islam issue it has long been noted in the prophesies of Nostradomas and Malachy that its Europe not America that should be worried about the Mohemmedans(if you believe in that stuff)...but America has the right to defend herself against all enemies and if that means red flagging all Islamic believers to catch these radical terrorist, then it is a sad action that must be taken.