Islam Is Gaining a Foothold in Chiapas

I think you are completly misunderstood me. What I want to say is, fanatism and killing is nothing related with religion. And If it is related with religion, Islam is not most bloodiest religion. If you read history you will saw who murdered more.

I know not all Muslims take it to that extreme but why aren't the moderates standing up to the radicals or saying something

Because we dont see any difference with Bin laden, Israel, USA. They are all murderer, and I dont care if killing happened in USA, in Iraq or in Istanbul. As you remember my friend we have good reasons for hate for bin laden too.

Tell me a good reason for attacking Iraq?

I m really trying to understand what exactly are you saying here...please explain...

who was in anatolia under islamic rules?

Right...but crusaders do not exist anymore

history...you have maybe right...but here we are talking for current risks

 children? You have right but what children ?? The decisions of a Government do not have always any relation with the people

I agree with you.....BUT

I will talk as an Orthodox...which I am. What the katholic church did that time belongs in the past, not forgotten, but it is in the past. What ever Hitler did is in the past...we will not kill the Germans and all their allies because of what their ancestors did. And as an Orthodox , from the history of my church I know very well that vatikano wasnt an angel towards the Orthodox Church...and based on these facts the Pope Paul ask in public forgiveness. But what ever happened is in the past, I will not accuse the current katholik church for the past. As I dont accuse the current Turkish nation about what Kemal did to my nation.

People who are in the leadership of a church are not holly persons, they are humans, so they make mistakes, they are not God...only God do not make mistake. 

Islam is something different from Church, works under different framework. However, for which ISLAM we are talking about. All the muslims call their religion as ISLAM, but we are talking about the same religion here?. The Suni Muslims in Istanbul react and believe in the same way with the Suni Muslims in Ic Anadolu? The Muslims of UEA, are the same with the Turks? Can someone compare the Taliban with the rest Muslims? Do all the Muslims ambutate the women? Do all the Muslims with the same way have treat woman? If we answer with YES to these questions we would make a huuuuuuuge mistake. The differences between them are very large. You the christians have ever read the Kuran? Read it....you will see that Kuran do not award these actions. Even the Saria Law do not have any base on the Kuran. Depends to the nation and their religion leaders how they will explain it. It is like the differences between the Christian Dogmas, which fortunately they are not many or huge in this case.

Lets seperate the good Muslims...who can be really peaceful people (even they can be fanatized really easily if someone provoke or actuate them), and lets talk about the other Muslims.

Who can deny that these kind of Muslims are not a danger for the world? These people are the reason of missunderstanding totally the Islam. Muslims are more fanatiks in religion than the Christians...and history prooves it. Unfortunately they are more than Christians...even the ones with low profile. .

These mexicans who became Muslims, what kind of Muslims are? I dont think that a Turk Imam went to help them be shaved, the most probable is to belong to the Islamist world, the world which believe that "they will eat pilav and have virgins in Paradise, if they difuse the law of the God by any means, especially when they others are KAFIRS.

As I dont accuse the current Turkish nation about what Kemal did to my nation.

I think you lost sense here. It was greeks who attacked my country, and did bad thing against the law of war(easy to prove). And still it was Kemal who is guilty, Because he resques his people from Greece Army.(Not a nice army, bad thing against law of war should be realy realy bad things for turks) And Dont tell me exiles. They are made by both country. It was greece who destroyed your nation.

the proove is the christians who are still hiding their religion in a more modern muslim's country like Turkey..

I dont see any reason for hiding. There are christians and noone is treating them bad.They are our people also.

Other examples...the thousands hundred Greeks in Turkey who are Muslims now...you think that they became by their will?

So you think Ottomans are forced people for changing their religion? This is against all history. Why cant they change their religion with will? And I dont think there are so much greek muslim in Turkey.

By The way, These are other topics, No need to discuss them here. If you want to discus open a new topic.

Eaglecap:  "I know not all Muslims take it to that extreme but why aren't the moderates standing up to the radicals or saying something".

For your enlightenment the moslems I interact with and talk to, at the mosque I frequent, listen to friday sermons that denounces any form of terrorism. Especially in the US. If the terrorists come from predominately moslem countries it hurts even more and reason to denounce such is greater. Most of the moslems from moslem countries do not support terrorism either. Whether they are vocal about it loud enough all depends on many factors. Most of all politics. They do get carried away with political opinions that eventually places them in the spotlight. Having diverse opinions is not terrorism though. 

Exactly you are not in the position to know.....

Need info for what????

The Turks arrest Feth� Culteppe w�th the accusation of trying to organize the indepedence of Pontus as a different state...so dont sell these to me!!!

Why they are not trying? You must start to live in reality pleaaaaaaaaase.........we are not living in Paradise neither people are angels....imagine the governments!

Originally posted by Murtaza LOL who is fethi culteppe? I dont think Trabzon will ever want to leave form Turkey. when this happened?

If you dont know who is Fethi...how you know that he was from Trabzon????????