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    Posted: 26-Jan-2017 at 02:11
I barely just managed to get one more battle site done. The 4 i've managed to get re-done now were excessively hard work (in bad situation) and wasted days/week/weeks of my time (12 hours a day, getting nothing else done) and wasted my unfluoridated water rations. It has stressed me to the very limits. (No wonder K Jackson had a heart attack.) I am definitely not able or willing to re-do anymore of the remaining 5 battle sites. It is now proven that they are purposely using any excuse they can to refuse to admit/acknowledge/credit our discovery and years hard work (though the only reason i redid the chapters was because i was incensed at Caldrail unfairly calling me "sloppy" and dismissing all our evidences). They are always qucik to attack any negatives (even if not my fault but situation, even if is not even true or fair), but when i do the excessive hard work they force then there is just nothing but silence.

To save the forum funds i will post the new chapter in the old 12 battles ebook.

Links to the 4 new redone battle sites chapters:
4. Celidon (Kit's Coty/Coldrum & the Weald):
http://www.allempires.com/forum/chapter_admin.asp?BookID=101&ChapterID=1536
3. Bassas (Reculver):
http://www.allempires.com/forum/chapter_admin.asp?BookID=101&ChapterID=1535
6. city of the legion (Richborough/Rutupi)
http://www.allempires.com/forum/chapter_admin.asp?BookID=101&ChapterID=1538
5. Guinnion (Dover)
http://www.allempires.com/forum/chapter_admin.asp?BookID=101&ChapterID=1537

(One detail section on the date of Celidon battle is just provisional and is a not very good jumble. I also have 5 small bits to add to the Celidon chapter.)

Some positive feed-back would help my morale.
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"... the remains of widespread woods, which were once part of that
great forest which for so long held the Saxon invaders at bay--the
impenetrable “weald,” for sixty years the bulwark of Britain." - Sir AC Doyle ('The Return of Sherlock Holmes', 'VI. The Adventure of Black Peter', 1904.)

Its almost as if Doyle and whoever else already knew then that Arthur's 12 battles were in the south-east quarter (unless he got it from Collingwood or Wheeler who may have been around then (i have to check their dates)).
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This post is on the much disputed question of when was "(king/dux) Arthur", and more specially when the 12 battles of Arthur (including the Badon one) were. Here are lists of the maximum & minimum ranges of the dates for many things that feature in Arthurian chronology. (This comment was stimulated by Caleb's post http://arthur-and-the-emperor.blogspot.co.nz/2017/06/an-inconsistency-in-arthurian-studies.html via Arthurian society in facebook. [You may have to replace the "nz" with your own countries 2 letter initials code (eg nz, au, us, uk) (or replace "co.nz" with "com") if link address doesn't work.])

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Pope Evaristus/Eucharistus [Nerva] or Eleutherius [Lucius Verus] date ranges from ad 79 (Arundel), to 99-107, to 156 (HRB), to 161/167 (Arundel/ASC), to 174-189 (ASC).

Vortigern dates : 400 (HB), 426 (Hergest/Jones), 449 (ASC).

No person matching/named Arthur mentioned in 2 Gallic chronicles of 452 & 511.

The Anglo-Saxons arrival date ranges from Saxons/Germans 350/360, to Germanic raiders/settlers 367/368, to Hengist 400 (HB), to 438 (ACb), to 443 (ASC),  to 449 (ASC), to 469 (ACb), to Aelle 477, to Cerdic 495, to Port 501, to Wihtgar 514, to Ida before 547?

The main 128 years or 3 generations theories are: 390-518 (Kamlesh), 425/426/428-554 (Hergest/Cambro-Briton/Mary Jones), 449-577.
[From Hengist to Wihtgar are 56 or 66 yrs (Ethelwerd).]
From Anglo-Saxons arrival to Arthur's battle(s) is 40/43/44 yrs or 1 generation (DEB)?
* 128 (Hergest) = 3 x 40/43/44; 42 yrs Africa; 42 yrs in prison Jose of Arimathea; alarm 40 yrs after Maximus (HB); Martin ad 444; 40 days/nights Germanus; 40 yrs Patrick; 40 days Patrick; 40 days Rhun; 43/44 (DEB) = (4 +) 28 + 12 (HB); 16+25 yrs Pat (HB); 40 yr Pat to Brigit + 405 yr, or 40 yrs Pat + 4 yr Columba to Brigit; victory of Arthur on David's day 540/640; 43/44 = 2 x 22 (AC); 19 x 22/23 = 421/438 (HB).
 Arthur (HB) ~ Badon/Bath ~ Ambrosius (DEB) ~ Catgwaloph/Gwoloppum (HB) ~ Cetgueli ~ Guallauc/Gwallawg's battles (HB/Taliesin) ~ Arthur's battles (HB)?
Great king Ambrosius = Ambrose/Embres-gueltic = Gwallawg('s battles) = Arthur's battles?
Arthur's 9/12 battles (Ex-calibur from "stone", 44 yrs, drove Saxons out of land, grave a wonder) = metropolis of Padarn & 3 solemnities/churches of Padarn (Sts Lives) = Patrick ("rock", father Calpurnius, 40 yrs, rid land of serpents, no one knows sepulchre) (HB).
Catgwaloph (Ambrosius, HB) ~ Gwal/Gual "wall" (Severus, HB) ~ Gualenses/Welsh ~ Gualo their leader & Guales their Queen (HRB) ~ Guallauc/Gwallawg (Taliesin/HB) ~ Arthgallo/Arthgal/Art(h)egal of Cargueit/Warguit (HRB)?
Guitolinus ~ Guinnion?


St Germanus (Gwarth?) has date range from [350/360? to Germanic settlers 367/8? to] Halleluyah 429, to 2nd visit 447, [to vita/life 480/480s? to St Geminianus (Modena Archivolt)?]

Arthur's battles against specifically Kentishmen (HB/Collingwood) who have date range 449-488 and/or 560-616 (ASC)?

1st victory of Ambrosius between 429-450/456 (EH?)
St Pol/Paul(inus) Aurelian(us)/Uurmonocus de Leon in Breton tradition.

"488-547 only landings of Saxons on the coast".
The dates of the gaps between Bretwaldas are 491-560, and 670-802.
No gains gap in ASC ranges from 519 to 552 (ASC/Brynjulfson).
"510-555 emigration of Angles & Frisians to the Continent".
"gap in Gildas 500-550" (Carroll)?

"(King) Arthur's" (battles) date ranges from tranisition from Draco to Ursa (Hitching), to Bronze Age (Drou), to [Ursus 776-42 bc (me)? to Arviragus, and/or Deoartavois 47- 67 (me)? to] 180 ce, [to 350/383 (Morris)?] to 421 (CMSM), to 450/454 (Malory), to 516 (AC), to abidcated in 574 (541 yrs after the crucifiction), to contemp of Urien's dtr (C&O), to 631- 650 (Swedish), to 640, to 650 (Wace, Morris?) to 700 ce (Arthurian Infopedia).

Our own range for possible dates of the 1st battle of Arthur at Glein is from Germanus 429, to 1st victory of Ambrosius between 429-450/456 (EH?), to grail 454 (Malory), to Graine 480, to "Glein 486" (Wiki), to Cerdicshore 495/514 (ASC), to "Badon 516" (AC), to the 519 start of the no gains gap in ASC (Brynjulfson), and/or "KA subdues Ireland 519", to Gleawancester 577, to Paulinus?

rivers/fords/fleets/shores/burns/lons/fords/ports/wets dates: 449-485 (ASC), Glein-Bassas (HB), 495-519 (ASC), Tribruit before Ida (HB/PG), Sarum 552 (ASC)?

Forests/woods dates: from Caesar (Florus), to battle of godeu/trees (Triads), [to fled like fire 473?] to Categern, to Andredesleag 477, to Netley 508 (ASC)? to Cerdicesleag 527, to Celidon (HB), to Celidon/Arthuret 573 (AC), to Fethanleag 584 (Ethelwerd).

Llongborth date range is from [Port 501? or 508?] to 710/712?

Pope Supplicius date ranges from Simplicius 468-483, [to Symmachus 498-514? to Sergius 689?]

Plagues of Camlan/Justinian 537 (AC), Maelgwn/Yellow 547 (AC), 682 (AC).

"Carisbrook"/"Wight" (which Hunt and we both have thought might link with Guinnion/Dover/Downs) dates in the sources range from [Guitolinus? to] 514 (ASC), to 530 (ASC), to 534 (ASC), to 544 (ASC), [to Hwiterne "white house" (& Columba/Iona "dove") 565 (ASC)?]

Arthur's victory against Saxons [= Guinnion or Badon] ranges from 540, to 640.

St David (&/or St David's) date range is from 458 (AC); to victory of Arthur on St Dav's day 540, to 580s (Tigernach), David buried by orders of Maelgwn late 6th cent, to d c 600, to d 601 (AC/WA), or d in reign of Constantine, to field of Leeks, to victory of Arthur on St David's day 640, [to 645 (AC)?]
(Confusion between St David's day and Gildas bday?)

Arthur may be connected with St Padarn, and/or might be linked with St Patrick who has dates range from 405, to 428/429/430 (ASC), 438, to 457 (AC), and/or Pederydan 658, and St Peter of dates in 601-3 and  616/617-618?

Sts Julius & Aaron (of the City of the legion) day 1st of July, matches Calends of July (3 solemnities of Padarn), & calends Julius 540 (ASC/Ethelwerd), Iago 613 (AC), calends July 1093 (kerediegean battle Wales), & "Merthir Ivn [Julii] & Aaron"?

forts/cities/cesters/ports/dins/burhs dates: Andredescester 490 (ASC), [port 501 (ASC)?] Wihtgarasburh 530-547 (ASC)? fort guinnion (HB), city of the legion (HB).

Badon/Bath (chapter/section 50 or 56) date ranges from Bladud "929-909"/853 bc (HRB), to c 430-440 (Higham), to 470 (HRB), to c 485 (Snyder), to c 485-520 (Wood), to 490s (Wood), to "493" ("EH"), 494-7 (Morris), to 500 (Dumville/orthodox/average), to "scholars now think Badon 518 is 10-15 years too late", to 516/519/520 (AC/WA, Ashe), to 554 (Hergest), [to Wibbandune 568? to synod Victory 569?] to Bath 577 (ASC), to 580 (Simon Stirling), to 661 (Hunt), to 665 (AC), to 674 (Evans-Gunther?) [to 940/960 (HB/me)?]
* Badon of AC = Guinnion of HB.

St Martin (who Mintz & i tentatively linked with Arthur/Merlin & Ares/Mars) date ranges from 444 (ASC), [to calends Martii 538? and Martianus 538? to victory of KA on St David's Day (1 March) 540?] to Hwiterne 560 [or 565?] (ASC), [to Merlin 573 (AC)? to victory of KA on St David's day 640? to Mark 822? to Burmaltus/Durmaltlegalois &/or Mardoc/Melwas/Meleagant (Modena Archivolt)?]

Cerdic/Cedric / Cheldric (1 &/or 2) / Cherdich dates range : Caractacus/Caradog vs emperor Claudius, to Coroticus of St Patrick, to Ceretic interpreter of Hengist, Cerdic of Wessex 495 - dies 534 (ASC), to Ceretig/Careticus of Elmet 616/619, to Kerediegean battle 1093, to Carrado (Modena Archivolt), to Caradoc of Llancarfan mid 12th cent.

Anderida/Pevensey (which is either Agned/Bregion or Arthuret) has dates ranging from [many skeletal remains of young Saxon men buried on Highdown Hill dating from 2nd half of 5th century"? to] 477 (Asc/Ethelwerd), to Cayburn 488 (local tradition), to 490/491/492 (ASC/Ethelwerd), 756, ["Hastings" (Pastscape)?]

Ida's date range is from 547 (ASC), to c 550, to 560 (ASC), to 584, [to St Aidan 607? to Idris 632?]

Camlan ranges from 537/539 (AC/WA), to 542 (HRB), [to civil war 568 (me)? to Bedcanford 571 (ASC/me)? to Arthuret 573 (me)?] to 576 (Hergest), to after Arthuret (Triads),  [to Tintern 584 (me)?] to Woddesbeorg 592? to Cantscaul 631 (AC)?]

gap between Badon and Gildas writing date ranges from 10 yrs to 40/43/45 yrs, to 60 yrs (Doyle). [Arthur's reign from Badon to Camlan was 22 yrs which is half of 40/44.]

Gildas date ranges from 421 (CMSM?), to "gap in Gildas 500-550" (Carroll), to d 512 (W. of M.), to 546 (1638 translation), to 565 (AC), to d 570/572 (AC), [to Hilda or Elvod?].

Maelgwn's death & yellow plague date ranges from 547 (AC), to Mailcun 559 (HB), to Coinmagil 577, to 586 (Hergest), to at Arthuret (DMT).

Arthuret/Caledon ranges from [Andredescester 491? to] before Camlan (Triads), to time of Maelgwn (DMT), to 573 (AC) to 593 (Hergest).

Sutton Hoo dates range : Merovingian coins 491-518, [Vendel era  about 550-793?] Merovingian coins 578-582- 602, Maurice &/or Tiberius 583, Merovingian coins 588/595-612, "cannot be dated earlier than 620".

catreath/catraeth/gododdin date range from 598/c600, to 638 (gododdin).

city of the legion/"Chester" date ranges from Caer Lleon on Dee 917 bc,
to Caer Lleon on Usk 401 bc, to Diocletian, to synod 601 (AC), [to Liganburh 571 (ASC/Ethelwerd)?] to battle 602 (Hergest), to 607 (ASC) to battle 613 (AC), to 616.

field of Leeks (St Dav's day) date ranges from [540, to] 633, to 640.
Might be linked with Staffs Hoard(s) from Lichfield of "680-740"/"7th(-8th) century"?

2nd Badon date ranges from 661 (Hunt), to 665 (AC), to 674 (Evans-Gunther?)

Easter dates 453 ac, 626 asc, 640 asc, 661 asc, 665 ac, 685 asc, 716 asc, elvod 755.

Cadwaladr date ranges from at field of Leeks, to 664 (Hergest), to 682 (AC), to 689 (HRB).
* Catgwaloph, Catgublaun/Catguollaunus, Catgualart, Gwaladyr/Gwledig/Vladika, Tewdrig?

HB &/or "Nennius" [nin "roof, protector, prince"? or nimed/nemed "sacred, venerated, heaven"?] date ranges from Nennius 55 bc (HRB), [to Nemuivus found at Bodleian 5th-8th cents? to Ninnian 565 (ASC)?] to Nennius 613 (ASC), to 796 (OEC), to Mermenus 438 + 421 = 858 (HB prologue), to 946 (HB), to 976 (HB), to 994 (OEC), to Mark 10th cent (Gunn), to Dumville on Nennius not before 12th century? to "12th cent historians refer to HB under name of Gildas / ascribed it to Gildas"?

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Arthurian Refs: AC/WA, ASC; Arthurian Infopedia; Geoff Ashe; Bede (EH); Brynjulfson; C&O; Collingwood; Charles Evans-Gunther; Geoff of Mon (HRB); Gildas (DEB); Gallic; HRB; Dan/August Hunt; Malory; Morris; Nennius (HB); OEC; Bk of Hergest; Tigernach; Triads; Taliesin; M Wood; Wiki.

Links: ours:
http://historum.com/blogs/gold+heart/31681-nennius-gildas-re-king-arthur-bits.html
http://historum.com/blogs/gold+heart/31690-skeleton-arthurian-britain-timeline-caesar-egbert.html

Links: others:
Hergest http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/hchron1.html
Welsh Annals http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/halsall/source/annalescambriae.html
ASC http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/657.txt.utf-8
OEC (Nennius/HB, Gildas, HRB, Ethelwerd) http://www.gutenberg.org/files/37848/37848-h/37848-h.htm
Timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Anglo-Welsh_Wars
Timeline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_conflict_in_Anglo-Saxon_Britain
Pa Gur http://www.mythiccrossroads.com/PaGur.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Arthur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_King_Arthur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_basis_for_King_Arthur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arthurian_characters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sites_and_places_associated_with_Arthurian_legend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliography_of_King_Arthur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_about_King_Arthur

Abbrevs:
AC = Welsh Annals
ASC = Anglo-Saxon chronicle
AC(b) = Annales Cambriae / Welsh Annals
c(a) = circa/approximately/roughly / around about
C&O = Culwch & Olwen
CMSM = C of Mt St Mich
cent = century
contemp = contemporaneous/contemporary
ce = ad
dtr = daughter
d = died/death/dead
DEB = Gildas'
DMT
EH = Bede's
HB = "Nennius"
HRB = Geoff of Monmouth's
Jose/Joe/Joey = Joseph
KA = "(King) Arthur"
OEC = Old English Chronicles
PG = Pa Gur
St = Saint
WA = Welsh Annals
W. of M.
wiki = wikipedia
yr(s) = year(s)
& = and
~ = may possibly correspond/match
[things in square bracket] = our own some-time possible match theory



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 10-Jul-2017 at 13:18
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A startling new discovery that Arthur is connected with St Patrick requires some discussion. In studying Arthurian chronology and sources we accidentally found seeming links between Arthur and Ambrosius, Arthur and Gwallawg, Arthur and St Patrick (see the last post above). Below we give a list of similarities between Arthur and Patrick. (Just in case anyone doesn't know, it is important to be aware that our previous discovery was that 8 of the 9 battle sites of Arthur match 8 of the 9 Saxon Shore sites.)


Arthur: Arthur's capital city and 12 battles / 9 battle sites are linked with the 'metropolis of Padarn', and the 3 solemnities/churches of (St) Padarn (Sts Lives), Llanbadarn/Llan-patern/Lampeter (Wonders), Pedrog (Vita Cadog), and Gillapatric (HRB). (Life of Padarn is one of the 7 saints lives that mention Arthur.) Guinevere gave a magic apple to "the Irish knight Sir Patrice".
[Arthur is connected with stones/rocks via the Wonders of Britain. Arthur's site of Dubglas at Othona/Bradwell is linked with St Peter.]
Patrick: name St Patrick (& Downpatrick) from pater/patricius "noble one, patrician, priest" is close to that of St Padarn/Paternus.

Arthur: is British.
Patrick: "born in Britain".
[Petroc is "captain of Cornish saints". Patern is Breton saint.]

Arthur: "subdues Ireland in 519". (AC has Arthur & Mordred with Britain & Ireland.) Gildas went to Ireland. (Cold, snakeless "Ireland" in the Wonders is seemingly cold, snakeless Thanet.)
Patrick: went to Ireland.

Arthur: Arthur's cross (of Guinnion/Badon) seemingly links with St Andrew's saltire cross of Athelstaneford?
Patrick: St Patrick's cross (either pattee or saltire) (&/or Shamrock?)

Arthur: linked with Cruc Mawr of the Wonders of Britain.
Patrick: linked with Crucachan-Aichle (Croagh-Patrick).

Arthur: associated with Cerdic/Cedric, Caradoc, Cereticiaun, Carannog.
Patrick: associated with Coroticus.

Arthur: associated with a legion, and with Logres.
Patrick: associated with soldiers of Coroticus, and with king Logiore, and Lerins?

Arthur: connected with 40/43/44 years (from Saxons arrival to Badon, or from Badon to Gildas writing DEB).
Patrick: 40 yrs. 16 + 25 yrs. 40 days.

Arthur: has sword C(h)alabrum, Caliburn(us) (Latin), Calibo(u)rne, C(h)alabrun, Caledfwlch (Welsh), Kaledvoulc'h (Breton), Caladbolg (Irish), Caliburc, Callibo(u)rc, Calibourch, Escalibor(c) (French), Calesvol (Cornish), Calibore, Callibor, Excalibur (English) taken from stone/anvil/lake.
Patrick: his father was Calpurnius/Calpernius (possibly same as Palladius?) (Patrick can also be linked with Peter "rock/stone".)

Arthur: Arthur of the HB is considered to maybe be the same as Ambrosius/Aurelius of the DEB whose parents "wore purple". (Aurelius "golden, fine, excellent", prominent Roman clan.)
Patrick: name Patrick from patricius "noble one, patrician, priest". His father was Calpurnius "a Roman official (a decurion) and deacon", his grandfather Potitus was a "priest"; his mother was Conc(h)essa.

Arthur: drove Saxons/pagans/dogs out of Britain (at Clarence & in 12 battles).
Patrick: rid Ireland of serpents/snakes.

Arthur: "his grave is a wonder". (Linked with Brychan's sepulchre.)
Patrick: "no one knows his sepulchre".

Arthur: pope Supplicius. (Sword Caliburn.)
Patrick: pope Celestine/Celestinus. (Associated with Segerus.)

Arthur: was either in 5th cent or 6th cent. (Arthur of the HB is considered to maybe be the same person as Ambrosius/Aurelius of Gildas, and the HB seems to imply that the 44 yrs of Gildas is linked with either: alarm 40 yrs after Maximus, or Martin ad 444, or 40 days St Martin, or 40 days/nights Germanus, or 40 yrs Patrick, or 40 days Patrick, or (4 +) 28 + 12 of Ambrosius, or 16 + 25 yrs Patrick, or 40 yrs Patrick to Brigit + 405 yr, or 40 yrs Patrick + 4 yrs Columba to Brigit?)
Patrick: dates range is 405 to 461.

Arthur: associated with Merlin(us)/Myrddin/Ambrosius, Burmaltus/Durmalt &/or Mardoc/Melwas/Meleagant. (Mintz and us tentatively linked Arthur/Merlin with Ares/Mars & St Martin. Arthur is linked with St Martin le Grand of Dover. Merlin is closely similar to Melkinus?)
Patrick: associated with Milcho, and/or with St Matheus/Amatheus (who seemingly may be same as Maxim(ian)us?) "He was educated by a druid." Linked with ides of March.

Arthur: linked with Augusel (HRB), Isdernus (Modena Archivolt).
Patrick: linked with Auxilius, Isserninus (HB).
(Germanus of Auxerre?)

Arthur: section 50 or 56 of HB.
Patrick: between sections 50 & 56 of HB.

Arthur: associated with Guinnion "white" (& Dover/Downs), and St Alban('s).
Patrick: seems to be closely connected with Columba "dove"?

Arthur: associated with "Mary" & Guinevere.
Patrick: seems to be closely conneced with Brigit? His mother in some versions is Macha. (Shamrock. Patrick's mother was Concessa)

Arthur: Arthur's battles from Guinnion/Dover to Badon/Portchester were in the Downs. (Cruc Mawr "mountain/hill/heap/mound/tumulus" is the large cruciform platform at Richborough.)
Patrick: associated with town Dunum/Down.

Arthur: Arthur's battles are linked with the Wonders of Britain which features the "Severn".
Patrick: associated with Segerus.

Arthur: dux of the "Picts".
Patrick: "died in the land of the Picts".

Arthur: linked with Camelot. [Campus Electi?]
Patrick: linked with Amatheus/Matheus, Amalgaid, Mt Eli, and/or Armagh.

Arthur: Gildas was in Armagh.
Patrick: Patrick was in Armagh.

Arthur: some scholars gave evidence that Arthur may have lived to a reasonably old age?
Patrick: Lived to 120 yrs (85 yrs apostle of Irish).

Arthur: associated with Bassa(s) (HB) [which is Reculver nearby Birchington]; associated with the Wind Hole (vith gwint / flatio vente, in the 'Wonders of Britain'); associated with bear(s); associated with St Brynach; [associated with Brychan's sepulchre.] [Arthur's 9 battle sites match 9 Saxon shore sites, a few of which had monasteries or churches: Cnobheresburg at Yarmouth (Glein), monastery-church at Reculver (Bassas), and possibly Bede's Bosanhamm? Compare that the 2 sites of Santa Maria de Bretona and Santiago de Compostela in Galicia might be analogous to 2 Arthurian sites in Kent?]
Patrick: was from Banna Venta (Berniae) [which may be related to the "Beneventan monastery" in the Saints Lives?]

Arthur: can be linked with green via Cornish saints (St Petroc) &/or Breton saints. [Green shield & white shield? Weald & downs.]
Patrick: colour green.

Arthur: connected with Pelleas, Pellenore, king Poulentus. Indirectly linked with Breton St Pol/Paul(inus) Aurelian(us). [Pelagian heresy. Poul of Penni chen. Arthur's 1st battle site Glein has link with Glen of Paulinus.]
Arthur bore Cross &/or Mary on his shield or shoulder at Guinnion or Badon (Dover/Braddon). [Dover is linked with Bran.]
Patrick: connected with deacon Palladius [possibly same as deacon Calpurnius?]
(The palladium is associated with Pallas/Athena/Minerva (and/or Vesta).)

Arthur: was "christian"?
Patrick: was "christian".

Arthur: wasn't written about in detail until hundreds of years later.
Patrick: wasn't written about in detail until hundreds of years later.

Arthur: 2 Gildases theory. 2 Arthurs theory (Hassell).
Patrick: 2 Patricks theory.

Arthur: linked with city of the legion which was city of citizens Julius and Aaron.
Patrick: "father of the citizens"; "fellow citizens of the devils".

Arthur: 12battles, leader of battles, victorious in all.
Patrick: "The Patrick portrayed by T & M is a martial figure...." "... tells of Patrick being met by 2 ancient warriors". Associated with Victoricus.

Arthur: 12 (3 x 4) battles / 9 (3 x 3) battle sites.
Patrick: Shamrock (3 or 4 leaves) & trinity.



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 19-Jul-2017 at 06:10
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Here is 2nd rough draft of new theory that date of Badon is encoded in the HB (of "Nennius").

Gildas possibly seems to imply that Ambrosius was the leader at Badon; the HB seems to imply that Badon was time of Ambrosius? (Bede possibly implies a link of Badon with the Halleluyah victory of Germanus?)

The HB possibly seems to subtly imply that Badon was sometime between 348/365/373/400/405/409/421/428/438/444/447 to 542/547 [or 574?]
Traditional sources dates for Arthur include 421, 454 (Malory), 470 (some scholars opinion from the number of slain in HRB), 540 (great victory on St David's day), 554 (Hergest, Jones, CB).

Parts of the HB possibly may have been written by Gildas or a near contemporary? There seem to be possible matches in the HB for the 40/43/44 yrs of Gildas:
5658 + 373 + 28 + 12 (HB); 5658 + 373 + 28 + 4 = 400 + 69 (HB).
Jesus + 405/438 yrs = Patrick + x/40/85 + 40 (incl 4) = Brigit HB.
40 days St Patrick; 40 yrs St Patrick (16 + 25 yrs? from birth to 40 yo, & from 40 yo to 85 yo); 120 yrs Patrick ("like Moses") is 3 x 40 (like Hergest).
40 days St Martin; St Martin is 444th yr ad. (Mintz's paper & our own paper showed seeming possible links between Arthur/Merlin & Ares/Mars & Martin.)
40 days/nights Germanus.
Alarm 40 yrs after Maximus (HB).

The birth day of Gildas (whose life has a dates range of 421 to 572) seemingly might be linked with either birth day of Columba/Columcille (HB, 521 in AC), or birth day of St David ("great victory  of Arthur against Saxons on St David's day", "Patrick prophesied David's birth"), or birth day of Brigit (454 in AC). (Brigit seems to link with Mary of Guinnion/Badon. Columba/Iona means "dove" and is linked with Hwiterne "white house" and thus with Guinnion and Dover. Gildas b 421 resembles Columba 521?) [Or, a previous considered possibility is that Arthur vs Gildas/Caw might be linked with Ambrosius vs Guitolinus?]

"Arthur" seems to be connected with St Padarn/Paternus (eg "i Paternus known as Arthur"), and with St Patrick/Maun (eg Arthur: 7 or 9 battle sites, 44 yrs, sword excalibur from "stone", grave a wonder; St Patrick: raised 9 from dead, 40 yrs, his father Calpurnius, his sepulchre unknown). The metropolis of Padarn seems to be linked with the city of the legion [& Richborough/Rutupi]? The 3 solemnities of Padarn, and the 3 churches of Padarn are linked with Arthur's battles. Arthur's battles features in the HB either in section 50 before Patrick section, or section 56 after Patrick section. 2 followers of Patrick have same names as 2 companions of Arthur in the Modena Archivolt.
Patricks dates range is:
7 / 16/17 / 25 yrs (HB) / 30 yrs (AC) / 40 / 85 / 120 yrs (HB);
405 (HB), [421 (HB)?] 428/429/430 (ASC), 432 (Irish Annals), 438 (HB), 457 (AC), 461/462 (Irish Annals), 492 (Irish Annals), 553 (relics of Pat, Irish Annals).

Gwallawg's battles in Taliesin seem to possibly match Arthur's battles of HB & of the PG [& the 9 Saxon Shore sites].
Ambrosius = Ambrose/Embres-gueltic which possibly = Gwallawg?
Ambrosius' battle Catgwaloph/Gwoloppum may possibly link with Guallauc/Gwallawg?
Badon of AC = Guinnion of HB which possibly may link with Guitolinus?
Gwallawg (Taliesin) ~ Gavael-vawr (PaGur)
~ Rithergabail??
Gwallawg ~ Tudu-vallus?? 
Arthgal / Arthur / Arthwys (HB) ~ Gwarth(ur) / Garthwys?
Artognou ~ Guorthenau?
Gwarth Ennian ~ Guinnion/Gurnion?

The primary historical original "(King) Arthur" was one or two or more persons in the Saxon Shore between the 300s/400s to 600s/700s (maximum). Our SS KA candidates are some of the ones in this list of King Arthur candidates:
The mysterious body of levitating altar (Wonders); the Dover Painted House skeleton; Gwallawg (Taliesin); Ambrosius/Aurelius (Gildas/Nennius); Amr (Wonders); St Padarn/Paternus (Tintagel, Sts Lives, Kamlesh); St Patrick (HB); Brychan; Tewdrig (Tintern); St Andrew; Luthor/Liber son of Art; St Martin (Mintz); Germanus / Gwarth Ennian (EH); count Theodosius "the brown bear"; Categern; Kentigern Garthwys / Mungo; Vortimer (HB, HRB); St David; the king Tuduvallus of St Ninian story; Ninian's christian father; Gwarthur (Gododdin); Gwythyr ap Greidiawl; Ursicinus (Hoxne); Cissa (Nothgyth Quest); Cadwallon or Cadwaladr; Art(h)us (Swedish King List); count of Saxon Shore; Sutton Hoo Man; dux brit. (ND); pre-Augustine "Ethelbert" (ASC); "British King" (ASC); "progeny of AA" (DEB); "bear" Cuneglas (DEB); Mac Erca (Pestano); Arthur mac Aedan (Ardrey); Riothamus (Sidonius, Ashe); Natanleod (ASC); Authari or Rothari (Lombard king); Maelgwn (DEB); Urien(s) (Brewyn); Bodwyr (Brynjulfson); "Cerdic" (Han, Hunt); Artognou (Tintagel); st Arthmael; pope Pelagius/Martin; Arthari (Diaconus); Great Britain; Pictish king (Omer, Bullen); mac Art (Irish), LAC; Arviragus (HRB); Bacchic figure (Dover Painted House); Deoartavois (Hoeh); grave/cenotaph at cruciform platform of Richborough; Bran; Arthuret; Cole; Arthgal; Mercury Artaios; Arthur of Bradley; Artook Khan (Turkish); Ardys (Lydian); Rudra/Siva; Artha (Campbell, Walker); Ares/Mars (Mintz); Asshur (Genesis 10); the bear of Daniel (bible); Sarmatian/Nart; Herr Thor (Waddell); Artemis; Ursa; Arcturus; Long Man (Wilmington/Windover), the porter Gavael-vawr (Pa Gur), Arthwys son of Mavricus/Meurig/Mor ("Gwent"); Arthur (m)ap Petr(oc) ("Dyfed/Demetia").
The name "Arthur" may possibly be like a title or position abit like Pendragon is considered to be?

Thus we have now provisionally more or less answered the 3 main questions of "where was Arthur?" "when was Arthur?" and "who was Arthur" (and "was Arthur a king?" and "was Arthur a christian?")

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And here is very rough copy of our new Camelot information from a recent facebook comment of ours:

Versions of the name Camelot include:
Caamalot, Kaamalot, Kaamelot, Gamalaot, Chamalot, Camchilot, Camelot, Kamelot, kemelet, Camalot, Kameloth, Cameloth, Kamaelot, Camaalot, Kamaalot, Camaelot, Camehelot, Camaaloth, Kamaaloth, Kamahaloth, Camahaloth; Schamilot, Damolot, Camylot.

Some known Camelot theories/evidences:
Malory thought Camelot was "Winchester".
Camelot has a St Stephen's church.
Some say Camelot may be near Camlan(n)?
Some thought Camelot is Camulodunum/Colchester.
Shallot was upstream from Camelot.
one source says "Camelot was Tintagel" but i don't know whether reliable?
"many towered Camelot" [compare 140 churches lyonesse/logres/legions?]

possible originals of Camelot/Schamilot in Arthurian traditional sources (HRB, HB/Wonders, DEB):
nobles of Kemenet-heboe;
campus/field Electi/elleti/Aelecti/gleti (Bassalig? "district of Glevesing") [which may link with Eliseg &/or Mt Eli &/or Helig's land / land of Helig / kingdom of Helig &/or 'vy(.)thneint Elei' "Vultures of Ely" (Pa Gur)?]
campus Heli (metropolis of St Padarn);
camas Longart/Longphort ("near Conchra on loch long");
castle of Dimilioc (Tintagel, HRB)?
monastery Cambuslang;
Campus Lapideus / campo iuxta lapidem tituli ("Richborough")?
Cameliard / Carmelide;
Rhos / Mel-ros ("yellow headland") ; Maelgwn?
field of Gai Campi.
field Maisbeli.
Cetgueli?
Cuneglas?
Natanleod? [Naw Cant Lliwed "ruler of 900 (warrior) companies"]
Burmaltus/Durmalt-le-galois or Mardoc or Carrado (Modena Archivolt)?
catel Drunluc?
Gomeret ("Guined")?
Gamille the Maiden of the Castle?
Celliwig ("in Cornwall")?
Cantguic.
Samuil Pen...?
Elasius / Elesa (father of Cerdic)?
The city where was born Helena (mother of Constantine)?
Maelgwn &/or court of Rhos?
sons of Eliffer/Elifert (AC).
Mt Eli or Amatheus or Amalgaid or "Armagh" (of St Patrick's life in HB).
Shamrock (of St Patrick).
Amallet / Alled / Allaid / Alyth (Gododdin)?
Meigle (local Scottish Arthurian tradition).
Cannheleydd?
Elvod?
Elmet?
Maegla (501 ASC)?
Eliseg (Pillar of Eliseg).
Eli & Enoch, or Cynvelin (Taliesin)?
Cennfaelad
Beli
CwmCawlwyd
Cole / Maelor
Cynlaith.

possible later analogous sites elsewhere in British Isles / W Europe:
Cambus kenneth / Campsie(s) (Stirling)??
Santa Maria de Compostela (Galicia, analogous to site in Arthurian Britain)
cam Loth "twisted/crooked + marsh" (Dunadd/Dunardry, river Add)

possible south-east [Saxon Shore] Camelot name matches:
Cavloc/"saul" (Sutton Hoo);
Camulodunum/Colchester
Mellitus (London)?
Canterbury?
Colton (Dover)?
Camlet Way?
Cams/Cam / Hamble (Portchester/Southampton)??

    Malory:
great white palace of white marble at Camelot (melyn "yellow"?) [at "Winchester"/Guintonhi.]
    Possible actual site Richborough/Rutupi:
large (white) cruciform platform building "faced with Italian marbles"?

Pont-Stephen (Lam-peter)
~ church of st Stephen [1st christian martyr] at Camelot
~ St Alban & Sts Aaron & Julius of city of legion 1st british xtian martyrs
~ Labienus tribune of Julius Caesar (1st Roman to die in Britain)
~ large cruciform platform at Richborough [may be cenotaph/grave?]
~ grave of Gawain at Richborough/Rutupi or Dover?

A few years older post is here to see progress: http://historum.com/medieval-byzantine-history/34777-arthur-one-camelot-many-camelots-17.html



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The challenge has arisen to more certainly identify what south-east person(s) is/are the true original of "(King) Arthur". We have shown stark evidences that Arthur's 9 battle sites only-best match the set of the 9 Saxon Shore sites. But some rival Arthur candidates like Arthur mac Aedan still have some conviction for people because they do still have some points for them. For example Arthur mac Aedan is claimed to be "earliest known person with name Arthur". These things don't disprove our evidence that Arthur's 9 battle sites match the SS sites, but they still have to be explained how they fit with our scenario. Sometimes things may really be wrong scholarly opinions, like Gododdin is considered to have been in Edinburgh area and at such and such a dates time, but we think that it seemingly may possibly really have been in the south-east. With the rival Arthur candidates some questions are: what are the true connections of these rival candidates families [to our south-east Arthur]? And, what better south-east SS KA candidate(s) of our own can we present? Below is a new first draft of notes on our own main south-east Arthur candidates, some of which are looking pretty possible. (We hope to edit and add more to this in future.)

These are are main Arthur candidates so far:

St Patrick Sen / Maewyn Succat &/or St Padarn/Paternus Peisrudd/Coli:
(Patrick's different various names are: Cothirthiacus/Cothraige "4 houses", Patrick "patrician, father of the citizens" or "rock", holy Maewyn/Maun/Magonus "famous" or "servant lad", Succat/Succetus/Sochet "swineherd" or "god of war", Segerus? Palladius?)
There are many similarities between Arthur and Patrick and its seems sure that there is some very close connection between the two of them. We can't list all the similarities here as there are too many, but we have listed alot of them in a separate paper, we will only give a few examples to serve the purpose here.
Arthur: has close connection with Padarn/Paternus. Patrick: links with Padarn. The version Badrig recalls the name Badon?
Arthur (m)ap Petr(oc) of "Dyfed/Demetia".
Patrick's other name Maun/Magon links with Arthurian names Mungo (Kentigern), Mabon (Gwallawg's battles), ... "stone", Mor (Fergus & Mac Erca)?
Arthur's 12 battles immediately before or after Patrick's life in the HB.
Patrick's name Succetus means "god of war" which matches Arthur leader of battles.
Patrick: 4 names. 4 houses of druids. Arthur: 12 (3 x 4) battles?
Patrick associated with Columba/Columcille of Iona whose name means "dove" and who is linked with Hwiterne "white house" and thus with Arthur's Guinnion "white" and Dover (or Downs).
Arthur: sword Excalibur/Caliburn (from "stone"?) Pat: his father was Calpurnius.
Patrick associated with Victoricus. Arthur was raised by Ector, and was victorious in all his 12 battles.
Arthur: Badon linked with 44 yrs. Patrick: Jesus + 405/438 yrs = Patrick + x/40/85 + 40 (incl 4) = Brigit HB.
40 days St Patrick; 40 yrs St Patrick (16 + 25 yrs? from birth to 40 yo, & from 40 yo to 85 yo); 120 yrs Patrick ("like Moses") is 3 x 40 (like Hergest).
The birth day of Gildas might link with "Patrick prophesied David's birth", or with birth of Brigit (who is associated with Patrick).
Patrick connected with Brigit who seems to link with Mary of Guinnion/Badon.
Arthur: drove Saxons out of Britain. Patrick: rid Ireland of serpents.  (Patrick as "swineherd" might link with this, or with the porker of Cabal's cairn story?)
2 followers of Patrick have same names as 2 companions of Arthur in the Modena Archivolt.
Arthur: 9 battle sites. Pat: raised 9 from dead.
Death of Patrick's disciple Mochta 535/537 ~ death of Arthur & Mordred 537?
Patrick: major shrone at Glastonbury. Arthur: supposedly buried at Glastonbury.
Arthur: some suggest he lived to quite old. Pat: lived to an old age.
Arthur: his grave a wonder. Pat: his sepulchre is "not known".
Patricks dates range is:
6/7 / 16/17 / 25 yrs (HB) / 30 yrs (AC) / 40 / 85 / 120 yrs (HB);
387, 403 (popular writers & folk piety), 405 (HB), [421 (HB)?] 428/429/430 (ASC), 432 (Irish Annals), 433 (Life of Patrick), 438 (HB), 457 (AC), 461/462 (Irish Annals), 492 (Irish Annals), 496-508 (Coroticus), 553 (relics of Pat, 60 yrs after, Irish Annals).
Arthur is most often considered to be either in the 400s or the 500s.
There is a Gillapatric in the Camlan list in the HRB.
The life of Padarn features as probably the most prominent of the 7 saints lives that mention Arthur.
The metropolis of Padarn seems to be linked with the city of the legion [& Richborough/Rutupi]? (Paerburge in the Pa Halgan?) The 3 solemnities of Padarn, and the 3 churches of Padarn are linked with Arthur's battles.
Tintagel Stone possibly says "Artognou descendant of Patern[us] Colus made (this). Colus made (this)." Or "i Paternus known as Arthur"?
The "walking stone" in the 'Wonders of Britain'?
Ambrosius'/Merlin's mother "lived in St Peter's church" (HRB).
A prominent Arthurian has name Fitzpatrick.
Petreius Cotta? Pedridan/Penda 658ASC? Magister Peditum?

St Martin of Bullions/Tours / [Martin le Grand?] :
Mintz's paper and our own papers have shown tentative links between Arthur/Merlin (or Mordred?) and Martin and Ares/Mars. There is a St Martin church in Canterbury which city is at intersection of roads leading to 5 of our 9 battle sites of Arthur.
Guinnion of Arthur is Dover where is St Martin le Grand church. St Martin of Hwiterne "white house" 560 of the ASC may be linked with Dover (& fort Guinnion).
St Martin of Galicia's death date of 580.
Badon 44 yrs of Gildas may link with 40 days St Martin (HB), St Martin is 444th yr ad (Ethelwerd).
The eclipse of calends of Martii (1st March) 538 & the eclipse of calends of Julius 540 might be liked with our battle of Guinnion at Dover (St Martin) & battle of city of the legion (St Julius) at Richborough?
"seed of Mars" (Brunanburh, ASC) ~ progeny of Ambrosius?

Macsen Gwledig / [Magnus] Maximus Brittanniae / [Petronius Maximus?] :
Magnus Maximus ~ Magnanimous Arthur?
Badon 44 yrs (DEB) ~ Alarm 40 yrs after Maximus (HB).?
Maximus features in the Pillar of Eliseg.
Arthur son of Masgwid/Masguic?
Macvsm/a of the Wroxeter Stone?

Ambrosius/Ambrose/Emrys/Amr/Merlin Gueltic / Aurelius:
Arthur comes between Ambrosius and Maelgwn in the DEB & the HB, so he could be anyone between them (inclusive).
Ambrosius "immortal" was Aurelius "golden, fine, excellent", dux (DEB) and "great king" (HB). Arthur was magnanimous "great souled" (HB), dux (HB, LF) and "king". (Could compare Aurelius Ursicinus of Hoxne Hoard?)
Some scholars think that the DEB of Gildas seems to imply that Ambrosius was the leader of the battle of Badon (while the HB of Nennius has Arthur).
"Their names and acts are recorded in a book which Gildas wrote concerning the victory of Aurelius Ambrosius...." (HRB.)
The HB possibly hints that Badon/Guinnion of Arthur is linked with Gwalop of Ambrosius. The 44 yrs of the DEB might be connected with the figures connected with Ambrosius/Gwalop:
5658 + 373 + 28 + 12 (HB); 5658 + 373 + 28 + 4 = 400 + 69 (HB).
Badon of AC = Guinnion of HB which possibly may link with Guitolinus?
Compare: Cunedda & 12 sons came and fought against the Gwyddyl; battle at Serigi Wyddel / Cerrig y Gwyddyl y Mon in succeeding generation; men/tribe of Cadwallon Lawhir sustained the attack of Serigi Wyddel, who Cadwallon slew with his own hand.
[Guethelin & Aldroean? Or, a previous considered possibility is that Arthur vs Gildas/Caw might be linked with Ambrosius vs Guitolinus?]
Ambrosius' battle Catgwaloph/Gwoloppum may possibly link with Guallauc/Gwallawg whose battles seemingly may match Arthur's?
Embres-gueltic may possibly be connected with Gwallawg?
Vortimer might be Gwarth & Amr? Vortimer's 4 battles may really be related to some of Arthur's battles?
Ambrosius ~ Morien/Murdyn/Murtrin = Mynawc/Mynawg/Manawg/Manawc ~ Maun = Patrick ~ Arthur.
Morgan Mwynfawr? (and/or Elidyr Mwynfawr?)
"progeny of Morial" ~ progeny of Ambrosius/Aurelius (DEB)?
Maybe compare Muirchertach Mor &/or Fergus Mor, who have both been linked with Arthur? Arthwys son of Mavricus/Meurig/Mor/Mar of "Gwent"? (Meirig.) Cunomorus/Mark? Menw son of Teirgwaed? Morfawr? Maucanu?
Amblaud/Amlawd father of Igraine? Amorrhaeans (DEB)? Amrbons (HRB)? (Armorican Britain?) Eormenric father of "Ethelbert" (ASC)?
Arthur has close connection with Urien(s) whose name might link with Aurelius?
[Breton traditions have Paul/Pol Aurelian of Leon.]
Ambrosia means immortal [nectar food of the gods]. Arthur's "once & future king" "messianic return"? Holy Grail?
Merlin (or David) "harped and sang the stonehenge into place". Mordred's "magic song made Plinlimmon bow...." [Llacheu "marvellous in songs" might link with Lailoken? the harper builder of St Martin church in Hwiterne?]
The "two brothers Ambrosius & Uther Pendragon" might be Arthur & Merlin? (Llygatrud Emys?)

King Tuduvallus / St Tudwal Tudglyd/Tudelyd / Tuathal? / Tutagual? [&/or Tudvwlch Hir / Tudfwlch Cor(n)eu?] :
Tudvwlch Hir is "destroyer forts" which fits our Saxon Shore placement of Arthurs battle sites.
Tuduvallus could possibly combine names of count Theodosius (the "brown bear") & Valentinian? It may possibly connected with name Gwallawg?
Tuduvallus is the king in St Ninnian story, and Ninnian (who was at St Martin's Hwiterne "white house" of the "Southern Picts") might link with Nennius. Arthur was a "king"?
[Morgan Tud? Tewdrig? Dutigirn? Tewdwr/Tudor? Dyfnwal Hen? Dumnuallaun? Teudubric?]

Cadwallon/Caswallon LawHir:
Compare Cadwallon vs Wyddel, with Ambrosius vs Guitolinus.
Cadwallon "drove the Irish out of Anglesey [Mon]"; Arthur drove Saxons out of Britain at Clarence.
LawHir "long/tall hand/arm" might link with Gavael-vawr "great grasp" (PG)? Maybe compare Argoel/Aircol LawHir? (Though compare the nickname of Osla Gyllell-vawr "big-knife", and the surname of Caradoc Freichfras "strong/stout arm".) Possibly also might link with Gwyddno Garanhir "long/tall/crane shanks/legs/crane" or "stalking person"?
The name Cadwallon might connect with Cat-gwalop of Ambrosius (HB), Catguallaun, and/or Gwallawg (Taliesin), and/or with Excalibur/Caliburn?
Cad- might relate to cat "battle" and Arthur's 12 battles? or the name might mean similar to dux bellorum?
It seems possible confirmation in that Cadwallo is mentioned by Grey's poem bard.
The cloak of Caswallawn?
Caswallon crossed over to Gaul/France in the triads (though this may be the one of Caesar's time)?
The later Cadwallon (the 2nd) or Cadwaladr seems to have been a 2nd Arthur.
The red dragon flag of Wales has been attributed to Cadwaladr son of Cadwallon 2. ("Great victory of Arthur on St David's day" 540 or 633/640?)
The 43/44 yrs of Gildas might link with Cadwallon's "443 ad" date?
Arthur is linked with Padarn (& Patrick); Cadwallon was a great great grandson of a Padarn.
Arthur's father Uther may link with Cadwallon's father Yrth?
146 yrs Cunedda to Maelgwn may include 128 yrs Vortigern/Hengist to Arthur/Badon of Hergest?
2 sons of Maelgwn might match 2 sons of Mordred?
"Although Arthur is given sons in both early and late Arthurian tales, he is rarely granted significant further generations of descendants.... Later literature has expanded Arthur's family further...."
Cadwaladr went to Alan recalls Arthur went to Avalon?
Cadwaladr went to Rome recalls Ambrosius from Roman parents, Patrick from Rome, Arthur beat Roman emperor/general, and City of the Legion called second Rome (and Thanet's name similar).

Cunedda Wledig:
Arthur is linked with St Padarn; Cunedda is grandson of a Padarn.
Cunedda's mother was Gwawl. Gwallawg's battles match Arthur's.
Gwledig may have links with Gwallawg and/or Cat-gwalop?
The name Cunedda/Gwynedd might link with the bear Cuneglas (DEB)? or with Kentigern/Cyndeyrn (Garthwys) who may be Arthur? or Count (of Saxon Shore)? or Conchessa mother of St Patrick? or Conan Meriadoc?
Taliesin was found by son of king of Gwynedd.
The are possible connections of Gwynedd/Cunedda (& Snowdon) and Guinnion, and/or Kent?
Compare Cunedda vs Gwyddyl, with Ambrosius vs Guitolinus.
Manau Gustodin/Gododdin of Cunedda is same as Gododdin of Aneirin which is linked with either Dover (Guinnion of HB & mynydd Eidyn 2 of PG) or Othona (Dubglas of HB & Eidyn 1 of PG) or Yarmouth (Tribruit/Manau 1 of PG). The "narrows of Godalente" may link with Dover or Wantsum-Stour or other? Cad Godeu battle of  trees = Celidon/Celli = Weald. Cunedda &/or Gustodin might link with Constantine (whose cross links with Arthur's cross of Dover)?
Caer-Liwelydd of Cunedda is maybe similar to Kaer-luid-coit of Arthur?
Arthur's 12 battles may link with Cunedda and his 12 children who fought against the Gwyddyl? Compare the 24 sons of Llywarch Hen?
(Compare Badon 44/45 yrs & Cunedda's date "446"?)

Einion Urth / Gwarth Ennian:
Badon may have links with the Halleluyah victory of Germanus (Bede). Badon 44 yrs (Gildas) may link with 40 days/nights Germanus?
Germanus might be connected with St Geminianus of the Modena Archivolt?
Germanus is linked with name Gwarth Ennian. ("Famed Arthur of Gwerthrynion"/Guartherniaun? St Gurthiern or Kentigern? Gorwst Priodawr? Gorwst Letlwm?)
The name Arthur / Wart / Arthwys / Arthgal may be linked with Urth/Gwarth(ur) / Garthwys? The name Arthur may possibly be like a title or position abit like Pendragon is considered to be?
"Saint Germanus of Auxerre was twice styled dux belli by Bede".
(Auxilius companion of St Patrick? Geraint/Wuthgirete could possibly be conneced with Germanus or Gwarth Ennian? (Gartnain / Gartnait?) Or, Erbin could be Einion or Urth? Ebiaun? Or could Gildas Auctor be Germanus of Auxerre [&/or Ghirlandina]? Garbaniaun/Garmonyawn of the Men of the North? Gormant?)
Gwarth Ennian ~ castellum Guinnion/Gurnion ~ castell Gwerthrynyawn?

Gwallawg/Guallauc/Guoillauc/Guilauc/Gwylog/Galluc of Salisbury:
We have written a paper showing that Gwallawg's battles in Taliesin seem to maybe match Arthur's battles of the HB (and of the PG) and our Saxon Shore sites.
The name Gwallawg might have links with : Cat-Gwaloph (battle of Ambrosius in HB), Catguallaun, Embres-gueltic, Wallace (Scotland), Gavael-vawr the porter (of Arthur's battles in PG), Gwaelod, Cetgueli, Gwal/Gual "wall" (Severus, HB), the Gualenses/Welsh & their leader Gualo & queen Guales, Gwawl (Cunedda's mother), Tuduvallus, Durmalt le Galois, Arthgal, Gillapatric, or Rithergabail? The name Arthur may possibly be like a title or position abit like Pendragon is considered to be?
Guoillauc/Gwylog appears on the Pillar of Eliseg. (Eliseg ~ Ely ~ Camelot? 9 yrs ~ 9 battle sites? 11 hundred acres ~ 12 battles?)
[Gwalchmai/Walwen of Walweitha/"Galloway"?]

Urien(s) (of) Gore/Rheged/Bath/Moray / [Gwrien Morien?] :
Urbgen/Urgennius/Uriens/Urian(us) ~ Aureli(an)us? urbs legion? Yrth?
sons of Urien ~ progeny of Ambrosius?
Urien is also called Glyw Cattraeth which links with Cattraeth of the Gododdin which seems to match Guinnion & Dover? The word traeth can mean "extremity of district, or impregnable strand"! The names of the 10 children of Glywys possibly connected with the 12 battles (9 battle sites) of Arthur? Possibly also compare Glewlwyd the porter in the Pa Gur? (Goleudydd of Culhwch?)
 Some scholars connect Arthur's 11th battle of Agned/(Cat-)Bregion/Regomion with the battle Brewyn of Urien, which latter is also compared with Bretr(e)wyn battle of Gwallawg whose battles seem to correspond with Arthur's. Bre-wyn can just mean "white hill(s)" which could match either Guinnion/Dover or Agned/Bregion/Anderida/Pevensey [or Badon/Adurni/Portchester]? Compare also Berwyn in Snowdon(ia) ("snow hill") in Gwynedd?
It seems possible confirmation in that Urien is mentioned by Grey's poem bard: The "craggy bed" grave of Urien recalls Arthur's grave & Brychan's sepulchre?
Urien's connection with "Rheged" which is supposedly in the north is disputable. Urien(s) is usually of "Gore" and it seems that "Rheged" is mainly modern scholar's identification? There are seeming possible south-east Saxon Shore matches for a Rheged there eg (hill of ) Rhegin/bre Regin/Regentium /Regnes/Regni/Regno/Regnum in Sussex?

Taliesin / Gwion Bach:
Taliesin: Gwion; White Hill; Gwdion; caer Sidin; Gwynedd. Arthur: fort Guinnion; Snowdon.
Taliesin: Ceridwen/"Venus"; Mary Magdalen. Arthur: Mother/Virgin/Mary of Guinnion; Guinevere; Morgana. [Compare: Llywarch Hen & Cyndrwyn?]
Taliesin: 9 months; 3 revolutions; 3 elements. Arthur: 9 (3 x 3) battle sites.
Taliesin: endured hunger. Arthur: fasted 3 days &nights.
Taliesin: Cynvelin. Arthur: Camelot? cynbyn "dog heads"?
Taliesin: Trinity; son of the virgin. Arthur: cross of Christ & Mary.
Taliesin: "It is not known what is my body". Arthur: grave a wonder (not known).
Taliesin: "I have been an agitated seat"; [Cassiopeia?] Arthur: siege perilous?
Taliesin: Ebron vale. Arthur: vale of Avalon; Wedale/Vallis doloris. [Arvon's.]
Taliesin: domestic bard. Arthur: link with Patrick who had been a slave?
Taliesin: Elphin [Elffin ap Gwyddno?] ; Alpha; Alexander; Auster. Arthur: Arthur/arth? Geraint son of Erbin? Peredur son of Elifert/Eliffer/Eleuther? Effader? Ebiaun?
Taliesin: bard; Merddin. Arthur: Merlin.
Taliesin: original country region of Cherubims. Arthur: Excalibur/Caliburn?
Taliesin: Lucifer. Arthur: Logres? Lucan? Lancelot? Lailoken?
Taliesin: circle of Gwion/Arianrod/Sidin. Arthur: Round Table?
Taliesin: Tetragrammaton; cross-devoting. Arthur: connected with Cruc Mawr.
Taliesin: Eli & Enoch; Gomorra. Arthur: Camelot? Vultures of Ely?
Taliesin: Nimrod's Tower; "Tower of London"? Arthur: Vortigern's tower? in Modena Archivolt? [Dover lighthouse.]
Taliesin: was in the ark. Arthur: Arthur's ship Prydwen? taken to Avalon in boat.
Taliesin: Sodoma. Arthur: Maelgwn sodomy?
Taliesin: Moses; found like baby Moses. Arthur: linked with Patrick who was like Moses?
Taliesin: hean? cauldron of Cyridwen. Arthur: holy grail?
Taliesin: went to court at Caerleon. Arthur: city of the legion. Tristan/Arthur from city of lions/lyonesse?
Taliesin: bought up by Elphin. Arthur: brough up by Merlin/Ector.
Taliesin: Dovey. Arthur: Guinnion/Snowdon is Dover.
Taliesin: lustrous/radiant brow. Arthur: Badon may have been fought by Ambrosius a.k.a. Aurelius "golden, fine, excellent".
Taliesin: battle of trees. Arthur: battle of Celidon/Celli.
Taliesin: battle of Bran vs Math. Arthur: battle of Badon/Guinnion (Arthur vs Saxon leader)?
Taliesin: son of king of Gwynedd. Arthur: was a 'king"; Guinnion.
Taliesin: Ceridwen. Arthur: ship/shield Prydwen.
Taliesin: name Taliesin. Arthurian: Deisi Arthur? "Eliseg/Elisedd throughout 9 (years?) out of the power of the Angles" on the 'Pllar of Eliseg'? (Cf 9 yrs from Aelle 477?) (Gueltic/Wledig?) sons of Liethali? Aneirin? Tristan? Heledd?

Aedan Uradawc / [Adeon?] [compare St Aidan?] :
Pros:
The name Aedan might be connected with Badon or Eidyn or Padarn or Agned Bregion??
Aedan was at Arthuret/Gwendoleu which (was near Celidon [Weald] and) may match either Guinnion/Dover, Anderida, Camlan/Bedcanford or Richborough?
lia fail ~ holy grail?
(Maybe compare: Aedan son of Mor in ....  Aedan son of Cyngen of Powys?)
Cons:
Evidences against Arthur being in the North include:
Aedan's dates in AC & ASC etc are possibly after the time Arthur seems to have fluorished? Arthur was before Ida in the HB, but Aedan was after Ida in source(s).
Arthur fought the (West) Saxons who were at the time mainly only in area bound by line from the Wash to the Solent; and he fought "specifically Kentishmen" (Collingwood etc from HB words).
The Welsh sources make it clear that the Scots and Picts and Saxons were the 2 or 3 enemies. Some sources have Arthur fighting Scots & Picts. The "Picts" of a few other late sources could be refering to southern Britons.
Our discovered match of the battles of the HB matching the Saxon Shore forts is very strong and we have like 99 percent no doubts that it is right from all the quality and quantity evidences (including that they all match in numbers and all in order). The HB battles only-best match the SS and not anywhere else. Ours is the only one to match with an attested set of 9 sites (and all in order) and not an artificial grouping.
In orthodox history theory the Britons/Welsh were not separated and limited to Cornwall & Wales & the North until after the battles of Dyrham & "Chester". There are remnant Arthurian traditions in Brittany, Cornwall, Wales, and the North.
Arthurian divides Britain into Loegria/England & Cornwall, Wales/Cambria, and Albania/Scotland/Ogledd/North(umbrians).



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8th battle / 5th battle-site castellum/fortlet Guinnion of "(King) Arthur" in the Historia Britonum of Nennius is Dover/Dubris the 6th Saxon Shore fort of the Notita Dignitatum. (5th & 6th battle sites cross switched between different sources. The matching site in the Pa Gur is the 6th one mynydd/mount Eidyn.)
This following is a list of many possible versions of Guinnion/Dover in many Arthurian sources. It confirms that Dover = Guinnion because we can see stark details evidences that some of them certainly must be or only-best match Dover. (List is most of the ones we have come across but not all, there are still some more not yet included.) Please note it is possible that some may be wrong, but they aren't all wrong. Please also note that ones in different places are only later analogous mirror memory namesakes of the earlier original battle site in Kent. Though some sources places are wrongly considered to be in other places but they are wrong opinions (eg the Wonders are not in Wales etc but really in the Saxon Shore), and these are indicated by double quote marks / speech marks.
Note that some scholars correspond Badon of the AC with Guinnion of the HB.
(Format: the source's name then the candidate Guinnion/Dover matches from in the source.)

Before giving the list of Dover/Guinnion candidates it is necessary to remind people that the core discovery was that 8 of the 9 battle sites of Arthur in the HB of Nennius match 8 of the 9 Saxon Shore forts of the ND for certain because the names/meanings and details/geographies and numbers/order match. Further more the Wonders of Britain also seem to match the same sites or area as well, confirming the match. The 9 battles of the Pa Gur also seem to match the 9 HB & 9 SS/ND sites too. Some other sets/groups/lists of entities in this list below also seem to maybe match too:

1/2/3/4 martyrs Diocletian persecution (DEB/HRB)
3 prisons Gwen Pendragon; 3 Guineveres.
3 several battles (HRB)
3 frivilous battles (Triads)
3 renowned cities
3 churches Padarn; 3 solemnities Padarn
3 vultures of Ely?
3/4 cities 577 (ASC)
4 battles Vortimer?
4/5 cities 571 (ASC)
[6/10/11] Modena Archivolt?
7 (5 & 2) saints lives that mention Arthur?
"7"/9 battles of Arthur (PaGur)
7 servants of the Porter
7/9 saints/sites Breton/Brittany
8 Labours of Turein/Turenn
9 (3 x 3) battle sites / 12 (3 x 4) battles of Arthur (HB/Nennius)
9 Saxon Shore forts (ND)
7/9 Emperors (HB)
9 porters/watchdogs of Ysbaddaden Bencawr;
9 raised from dead by St Patrick
[9/12/14] battles sites of Gwallawg (Taliesin)
9 men of Luthor/Liber son of Art.
10 Glywys (Sts Lives)
11 Consuls (HRB)
12 Monasteries
12 Saxon Shore forts Skegness to Carisbrooke (Map)
12 sons Cunedda; 24 sons Llywarch Hen
12 hides of land Arviragus
Group of 12 poems?
12/20 Men of the North [12th Elidyr Mwynfawr]
13 Wonders of Britain (Nennius)
13 Treasures?
"13/14 battles" Arthur including Camlan (& Arthuret) (Adam Ardrey)
15/[12/24?] children of Brychan.
24 kings / 33 cities?

Now for the Dover/Guinnion matches candidates list:

Actual modern/historical site: Dover (at this site there are also all these places/names: Dour, St Mary the Virgin, St Mary in Castro ("may date as early as 600 ad"), St Martin le Grand, Braddon/Bredenstone, Drop Redoubt, Edinburgh Hill, Colton, Albion, W & E Heights, North Downs, Harold's Earthwork, Langdon Bay, near-by to the Weald, and it is not-far-from a Snowdown). [Dover from Dour "water", or possibly deur "brave"? and possibly conneced with 'de ira' "from the wrath"?]

Pa Halgan / Kentish Royal Legend / Life of Mildred:
Martinus, Doferum. (Eafe?)

Notita Dignitatum, 9 Saxon Shore forts: portus Dubris/Dover (milites Tungrecani, 2nd/6th of 9).

Peutinger: Dubris.

Arthur's battles, Historia Britonum/Nennius:
castellum/fort(let) Guinnion/Gurnion/Guindoin/*Alborum "white, sacred, pure, blessed" (5th/8th of 9/12). "Arthur was fighting Kentishmen" (Collingwood).

HB/Nennius: Columcille "dove"? Bridget? Guitolinus vs Ambrosius, Cat-Gwaloph? Gwarth Ennian (Germanus)? Guenedota/Cunedda? Manau Gustodin? Deur/Deira? DynGuoaroy/Guyaroi / DynguaythGuarth 547? Caesar vs Dolobellus?

HB 33 cities: Cairguent? Cairdauri/Cairdaun? Cair-guin-truis? Cairmerdin? Caircusteint? Cairguorthegern? Cairceint?

HB 9 Emperors: Constantine (5th)?

13 Wonders of Britain / Nennius: Sealess Shore? DuoRig Habren? Glen Ailbe? Wind Hole/Cave in "Gwent"? Cabal's Cairn? Brebic's stone (in a) cataract? Mauchline's quern? Undersea birds? Circling Rock/Mountain? [Pictish Palace?]

Irish: "Irish records preserve the notion that the Battle of Guindoin was within the Caledonian Forest".

Irish Annals: Finnabair 527/535?

Pa Gur: Mynydd Eidyn (cynbyn, 6th of 9, mynydd = "bald head"). [Cf eidunet "desire"?]
"What man is the Porter" may link with the Saxon Shore forts.

Y Gododdin/Aneirin: (drinking at) Din Eidyn / Cattraeth/Raith 538/596/598/600/638 (traeth can mean "extremity of a district")?
Gwyn Dragon [may be (Gwen) Pendragon?]
Gwenabwy son of Gwen (12th)? Bradwen? Gwenwawd?

DEB/Gildas: obsessio/siege of mons Badon(icus)/Bath-hill?

Tysilio: Badon near "Winchester"?

2/3/4 Martyrs 283/304 (DEB/HRB) : St Alban('s)/Verulam/Uerolamiensem? Amphibalus of "Winchester"?

Annales Cambriae/Welsh Annals: Brigit 454/521? Badon 516? Columba "dove" 521/562/595? "Camlan" plague 537? Maelgwn 547? Arthuret/Gwendoleu 573? Dyfrig/Dubricius & Kentigern 612?

Welsh Triads: castell Gwerthrynyawn? Celliwig? Arthuret (2nd of 3)?
Gwenddoleu?

Anglo-Saxon Chronicle candidates include : Martin 444? Andredescester? no gains gap 519-552? Wight/Wihtgar/Wihtgaras-burh 514/530/534/544? Cerdic dies 534? calends of Martii 538? St Martin's Hwiterne "white house" 560? Wibbandune 568? Egonesham/Ignesham 571? Dyrham 577? Wodensbeorg 592? St Mary, Kent 694?
[Note: Wight may be from either "white" or vectis "lever" or gwaith "work, time, division", all of which fit Dover/Downs as well as the Isle of Wight / Solent.]

Ethelwerd: lofty tower founded on honour of Mary in "Winchester" 908 (analogous)? Brunandune 938 (analogous name & date)? sign of cross in heavens 773 (analogous event)?

583/584/586 (source?) : CairGuiragon/Wigracester/"Chester" / "white town / town of white stone in green woodland"?

Gwallawg's battles, Taliesin: Arddunion "fortress height" (6th)? (Eidyn?) (Gwensteri? Bretrewyn?)

Urien's battles, Taliesin [575] : Ulph? "ford" of Alclud? Affair at head of wood? Brewyn? Gwenystrad?

Taliesin: Dubriactus? castle of Maria? Badon "chief giver of feasts"?

Hanes Taliesin: White Hill? Ceridwen? battle of Bran vs Math?

Dialogue of Gwydno & Gwyn &/or Iolo Manuscript &/or Hanes Taliesin :
fortress/Caer Wyddno (sunken, protected from sea by floodgates, in Gwaelod) of Gwyddno Garanhir 520-580?

Modena Archivolt: the "tower/castle" [looks like Dover lighthouse] & Winlogee/Guinevere (middle)? Burmaltus? Mardoc? Galvariun?

7 servants of the porter: Gwrdnei cats eyes (5th of 7)?

15 children of Brychan: St Wenn/Wenna (7th)? Dyfrig? Iona "dove"? Morewenna/Morwenstow? Merewenne? Berwyn?

Saints Lives: Do(c)guinnus / Llanddyfrwyr? Guinnius?
St Guenole? Guedian? Guenhael?

3 churches of Padarn: last / great? or middle / again's cross?
3 solemnities of Padarn: calends of May?

Glywys (Saints Lives) : Gwrhai/Gurai/Gurinid (6th of 10)? or Gwynlliw/Gwynllyw (1st)?

Malory: great white palace of white marble at Camelot at "Winchester"?
 Holy Grail 454?

HRB/Geoffrey of Monmouth: St Dubricius / Bath-hill/Badon/Solsbury 470. Gwenwisa/Genuissa? Guiderius? Albani/AltClut/"Dumbarton"? Albanact? Carmarthen/Merlin? Tintagel Castle? Guendoloena? Helena / Michael's Mount? "3 several battles"? Dorobellum? Estrildis white skin?
"Jupiter, Mercury, and Diana" of Brutus may link with the Trinity of Arthur of Guinnion/Badon?

HRB/Prophecy of Merlin: earth shall swallow Guintonhi/Winchester.

HRB 11 Consuls: Cursalem/Kaicester (6th of 11)?

Breton (analogy) : St Anne (mother of Mary)? [Queen Darerca?]
Gwenedeg/Vannes (one of the 7/9 saints/sites)? Samson of Dol? Tudwal?
St Mary of Lanleff / castellum Audroeni / Guingampum.
French/Gallic (Stephen de Bourbon) (analogy) : St Guinefort (cynocephali)?
Arthur's Hill? Mont St Michel?
St Albinus of Angers [near Mt Dol/Deols] 550?
Huelgoat (analogy): Castle of Morgane? Arthur's Castle?

Galicia (analogy): Santa Maria de Bretona ca 569. Tower of Hercules?

Tristan (& Yseut) : Essyllt Winwen? castle Dore? [castle of Windsor? castle of Snowdon?] "Stirling"?

12 Monasteries: Glasgwin (6th of 12)?

Descent of Men of the (Old) North: Gwendoleu (6th of 12/20)? Dyfynwal?

Liber Floridus/St Omer: "Pictish Palace"?

Welsh/Shakespeare: great victory of Arthur against Saxons on St David's (birth)day 540 or 640? [field of Leeks 633/640?]

Welsh (analogy) : Mari Lwyd. castell Cragwynion (Cardiganshire)? Cae(au) Gwynion (Rador/Flint / Denbighshire/Montgomeryshire/Glamorganshire); Carreg/Cerrig Gwynion (Denbigh / Carnarfonshire/Merionethshire); Tyddin Gwynion (Merioneth); Gwynion (near Mallwyd, 1603). White Castle near Abergavenny. Dubricus of Aber-gavenny? Clogwyn Du'r Arddu "high/height" / Berwyn / Snowdon "snow hill". Aberystwyth Castle?

Stories of the Grail: the White Castle in the White Town? Grail Castle (454)?

Scottish (analogy) : Arthur's Seat / Ard-na-Said "height of the arrows", Edinburgh?
Dumbarton "fortress of Britain/Britons" / AltClut?
Athelstaneford 836 (analogous cross & date)?
Drum Alban / Dorsum Albion?
Culdee/Fife (analogy) : St Mary on the Rock.
Skye (analogy) : Castle Ewen?

Cornish/Devonian (analogy) : St Michael's Mount ("the grey/hoar rock in the woodland", "a shrine dedicated to the virgin Mary")? Tintagel Castle (analogous)? Caer Guidn, Land's End?
St Gwinnodock? St Gwinear? St Winwaloe? St Materiana/Madryn of Gwent?

Scilly/Lyonesse (analogy) : Hoary Rock in the Wood? St Martin's (Scilly)? The Mount? St Mary's?

3 renowned cities / Beroul: castle of Isneldone/Snowdon "snow hill"?

William of Worcester: castle of "Stirling" [Snowdon]?

Ywenec: "Caerwent"? ("Doglas"?)

Vulgate cycle: "fortress on a lofty Saxon Rock in region of [fine hunting grounds of] Arestal nearby narrows of Godalente"?

source: Galafort (sign of cross) and Celidoine.

source: "2nd battle King Arthur smashes the Saxons at Clarence / great victory drives saxons out of England".

'24 kings & 33 cities', &/or HRB : Darian Las? Aeneas Yswwydwyn "White Shield"? Marsia/Martia & caer Baris "Dorchester" "by the sea"? Castell y Morwynion / mynydd Tristydd? Gwenwisa/Genuissa daughter of Caesar/Claudius? "Jerusalem"? Dyvan & Fagan? Badon/Avon?

8 labours of Turein/Turenn: two steeds Dobar (Sigar/"Sicily", 4th of 8)?

"Richard of Cirencester": St Patrick & Brigit at Dunum/Down?
Clodius Albinus?

Bran/Brennus story : Y-Bryn-Gwyn / Gwyn-fryn "white hill/tower" supposedly the "Tower of London" but "facing France"?

source: Lofty wood clad rock dinas Emrys / vast insulated rock dinas Emrys?
=
Vortigern's tower / citadel / fortified city at Mt Erir / Heremus Mtns "eagle rocks" [in Snowdonia] in Guenet/Guined (HB, HRB)?
&/or
Cair Guorthe(r)girn/Guorthirgin of Guunessi / castell Gwerthrynyawn / castle of Gurthrenion, beside the Wye, or on the Towy in Dimetae, or in Gueneri/Genoreu in Mt Cloarius on the Gania in Hergin (HB, Triads, HRB)? [or Guasmoric?]

Gervase of Tilbury: Arthur buried at "Mt Etna".
[Avalon located in "Sicily".]
[Morgana le Faye related to "Mt Etna" &/or "Strait of Messina".]

Culhwch & Olwen: Olwen "white thorn"? Arthur vs giant Ysbaddaden?
C&O boar hunt: Whitland? Gwendraeth? Dyffryn "valley"? gwelle(i)u?

13 Treasures: Clydno Eidyn (5th)? Dyrnwyn/white (1st)? Badarn (9th)? Gwenddolau (12th)?

Boece: "Dunbar" (fort)?

Landavensis: St Dubricius. 'Guentonia urbs' / 'urbs Guenti' / "Caerwent"?

Ninnian sources: son Wyn? the Book of Hours of the Virgin? St Martin church at Hwiterne "white house" ("Galloway")? the ("small") stone (or "wooden") church "sitiuated on the shore"? Whithorn Crozier?

Harleian: Teudubric (Glywysing)? Dubr Duiu / Tebi?

Winchester Round Table: "Winchester"?

Some suppose: Arthur sleeps under Craig Y Dinas (Dyffryn Ardudwy / Ystradfellte) where Blodeuwedd was buried?

Legend: Albion 44 yrs?

EH/Bede: Albinus 709? Baddesdown-hill/Badon/Bath-hill? Halleluyah victory (Germanus)?

Camden’s Bannesdown/Lansdown.
[Baddesdown/Bannesdown/Lansdown can match either/both of Portsdown Hill/South Downs/Langstone at 9th battle site Portchester/Adurni/Badon (1), and/or Braddon/North Downs/Langdon/Bran at 5th/6th battlesite Dover/Guinnion/Badon (2).]

Wynn's Baanesdown.

Polyolbion/Drayton: Albion/Ialebion was [from Alban] the first christian martyr in Britain?

Blyton: Gawain(e) died/buried at Dover.

Brynjulfson: "southern one-quarter of the island".
between northeast (Celidon) & southwest (Badon).
in an area the Saxons had reached by 516.
was fought against Saxons. southern part of the island.

Charles P. : Arthur's battles were "in Kent and the East Midlands, perhaps as far north as Lincolnshire".

GYAM: West Saxons ranged from Great Yarmouth to Portsmouth.

Sayles: West Saxons ranged from Wash to Solent.

[Prof Fields reviewer : Arthur's battles "were up & down the East coast".]

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Appended list of acknowledgements/credits/sources/references for this article:

Damien/Damo Bullen (damowords blog & Arthurnet posts);
Graham/Graeme Aspin (correspondence, & his theelf29 website);
Caleb Howells / "Calebxy" (on Historum, and in facebook Arthur group)
Chris(topher) Gwinn's website & Arthurnet posts.
Wikipedia
Gutenberg.org
GYAM
Brynjulfson
WG Collingwood
Mary Jones website resources
Arthurnet posters
Historum posters
Charles Evans-Gunther (on Arthurnet, and in facebook K Arthur group)
Zoetropo (Historum posts)
Leon Mintz's paper (via Arthurnet)
Peter Graham (Historum discussions even though they were unfairly antagonistic)
Simon Stirling
JC Cooper / Brewer's
Karen Han
Judy Shoaf
Charles P... (historum post).
Jacqueta Hawkes
Andy Evans (Wonders of Britain website articles, & correspondence).
Dan/August Hunt 'from Glein to Camlan'.
Edwin Hustwit (correspondence via academia.edu).
Arthurian Infopedia.
New Popular Edition Maps (npemap.org.uk)
Google Earth maps.
Cambro-Briton
Me.
[Wilson & Blackett?]
[Baigent/Lincoln/Leigh 'Messianic Legacy'.]
[Hancock forum Druids thread/topic.]



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La(u)ncelo(e)t possible origin candidates list (copy of facebook post) :

Luculleas/Lucullus lieutenant of Domitian ("Richard of Cirencester");
L'Ancelot "servant" [angel?]; Lancelin;
Augusel/Anguselaus (HRB); Auxilius companion of St Patrick (HB);
The unnamed knight of the Modena Archivolt?
Lanfranco (Modenna Archivolt);
spear of Longinus;
Laurentius of Canterbury; antipope Laurentius; St Lawrence/Laurence (grail); S Lorenzo le Mura (pope Pelagius 2); Basilica of San Lorenzo Fuorile Mura Rome;
Lailoken; Llacheu/Loholt; Licat/Llygad Am(i)r/Anir (Wonders);
Lucifer (Hanes Taliesin);
lance of Lugh; sword of Nudd;
Lugh Lamhfhada "long-hand" [LawHir?] ;
Loki; Lugh Lonbemnech; Lamhcalad;
Llenlleog/Llenlleawg (C&O, Loomis); Lleenawg (Taliesin);
Llwych Lleminawc/Llawwynnauc [wyanawc "windy/furious/striking hand"? Loch Lumonoy? Loch Lien? Llyn Liuan?];
Teon of Lochlyn (Hanes Taliesin);
Lyncalidor ("Richard of Cirencester");
Caerlavelock;
Natanleod / NawCantLliwed;
Nanteos Cup?
Wlencing (South Saxon, ASC)?
"mother of the lance" (Y Gododdin)
Rheiddyn "lance" (Y Gododdin).
lance/spear Rhun [son of Urien/Maelgwn] (HRB)
llan "saint"; Landrindod (Wales);
Fraunce?
etc.

The last part of his name might be linked with Camelot, or coit / Caledo(n) "hard" and Carrado of the Dolorous Tower (Modena Archivolt), or Ceoil (Wonders), or Lot?

Llawwynnauc"striking hand" recalls Cadwallon LawHir "long arm/hand", Gavaelvawr "great grasp" (PaGur), Peredur "Long-shaft", Gwyddno Garanhir "long shanks"? (Caradoc Freichfras "strong/stout arm"? Osla Gyllell-vawr "big-knife"?)

Guinevere is apparently linked with (Mary of) Guinnion [Dover] as seen in the Modena Archivolt.
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The 9th battle of Badon of Arthur of the HB of Nennius was at Adurni/Portchester (or Clausentum/Bitterne) near Southampton. But the battle of Badon of some other sources may be the 5th/8th battle of Guinnion of the HB which was at Dover. Someone on facebook disputes that Badon could connected with Braddon at Dover. So we have been collating evidences to more starkly prove our match theory.

Before we give the Badon evidence(s) first we will just post a bit on the linguistics of Guinnion, since these people keep lyingly claiming that our 9 battle sites matches supposedly have been disproven by them linguistically etc.

The proposed etymologies for the name (Castellum/*dunon/lesc/fort(let)) Guinnion/Guynon/Guindoin/Gurnion/*Alborum have included from:
*Alborum;
guin(n)/gwyn(n)/gwen/finn "white, fair, blond, bright, brilliant, pure, blessed(ness), holy, sacred";
vind-o "clear/white";
ion/iog/guic "standard place name ending";
"white fort";
*vindiones "(the) white(ned) people/ones";
bin/*vino- "wine/vine"?
venta "place"/"a plain".

Anyone can see that the Alborum and the "white" only-best match Dover (Albion). We have further shown in our 12 battles ebook and in this thread (above) that the names/places of Guinnion & Dover are connected with each other in a number of sources.

Now the Badon & Dover/Guinnion piece: Evidences for Badon matching Dover [Guinnion] include:

- Scholars compare Badon of the AC with Guinnion of the HB. Guinnion certainly matches Dover/Dubris (see our separate chapter on this battle site). (The 9 emperors list confirms?)
"the Welsh in Tysilio place it [Badon] near Winchester..."? Guintonhi/"Winchester" may match Guinnion & Dover.
- Badon was a "siege" in Gildas & HRB. This may link with "fort(let)" Guinnion?
[Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh may be analogous to Dover/Guinnion, though the name is said to have originally been Ard-na-Said?]

- Badon is associated with Dubricius of Legions in the HRB, and Dubricius surely matches either Dubris/Dover or Durovernum/Canterbury or Durobrivae/Rochester, while the city of the Legion was Richborough/Rutupiae.

- The name Badon(i(cu)s) and it being a "mount/hill" matches Braddon at Dover, quote the "lost village of Braddon within Drop Redoubt on Dover Western Heights", "the ancient name of Braddon", "I would suspect that Bradden would more likely be on the highest point of the hill", though someone claims that they can't be connected (but in my opinion this is only orthodox scholarly theory and is not definite).
[Badon is Bladud/Baldud in the HRB. Ysbaddaden of Culhwch & Olwen is surely Badon? If "Badon/Avon" &/or Avalon has a link with  Abaddon/Apollyon then this may possibly support the correspondence? Tradition links Badon with Bardon of Leicester. The original Dum-barton "fortress of the Britons / Britain" was Dover/Guinnion. Santa Maria de Bretona has similarities with Dover & Guinnion. Badarn in 13 Treasures? Bath is pronounced "Barth"? Baden "baths" in Germany?]
("Mount/hill" matches that at Dover are all of these : cliffs, (North) Downs, (W & E) Heights, (Edinburgh) Hill.)

- The name "Bath-hill" maybe matches that there was a "Bath House Area" at Dubris/Dover in archaeological maps?

- The alternative version of the name of Badon of Baddesdown-hill in EH of Bede (and Bannesdown/Lansdown of Camden, and Baanesdown of Wynn) might link with North Downs?
(Not sure if Camden's Lansdown could link with Langdon Bay at Dover? Also not sure if Badon/Baanesdown could link with Bran who has links with Dover? The battle of Bran vs Math of Hanes Taliesin?)

- Some sources imply that Arthur drove the Saxons out of England/Britain at the battle of Badon or Guinnion or Clarence. This fits a (Saxon) Shore location, and fits Dover as the one major entrance/exit point of Britain as the closet shortest crossing point for travelers between Britain and mainland Europe.

- The Modena Archivolt surely must depict either Badon and/or Guinnion. The "tower" or "castle" in the Archivolt picture looks alot like Dover lighthouse and maybe matches the castellum/fort(let) of Guinnion, while the name Winlogee/Guinevere in the Archivolt matches Guinnion (and white Dover). Scholars compare Badon of the AC with Guinnion of the HB.

- Arthur fought the "Saxons" (HB, HRB) & "Kentishmen" (HB, Collingwood). The Saxons were mainly only in the South-East quarter at the estimated date of Badon (refs Sayles, Brynjulfson, Evans, Jackson, etc) [the area that Charles tried to make me out as being bad for believing that the battles were there and not elsewhere].

- If Badon/Baldud/Bladud possibly has a link with name Balduph and the word "bald" then this may also match Dover. (Mynydd Eidyn of Pa Gur matches Guinnion and Dover. The word "Mynydd" can mean bald head.)

- Badon/Bath is close to "Albania" & "AltClut" in the HRB. "Albania" is really the Downs & Dover/Albion.
* (Caer) Alt Clut means ail "(a) rock", or "a height/cliff", or "white", or "a house site", or "fort", + "river Clyde", or "Caledon".
Albani(a) matches *Alborum (Guinnion) can only be either Albion (Dover), or St Alban's (Verulam), or Alba/Alban/Albani(a)/Albany/Alpin(e) (Scotland).
Arthur wore Dragon at Badon. Compare Gwen Pendragon?

- There is seeming evidence that St Martin le Grand of Dover is connected with Arthur's battle(s) (esp Guinnion / Badon).

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I just want to add that these people who keep lying that our sites don't match linguistically etc constantly evade/ignore/dismiss stark evidences/proofs that we have posted. For example the 'Cruc Mawr' of the Wonders of Britain surely only-best matches the "large cruciform platform" or quadrfrons at Richborough/Rutupi [the city of the legion]. They may try to claim that cruc can't mean cross but can only mean tumulus, but the evidences are stark that cruc mawr matches the large cross at Richborough, and sources do imply confirmation that cruc(is) can mean cross.
Cruc/crug/crocea mawr/more/mors can mean either:
"great/big hill(ock)/heap/tumulus/mound"
"great/big/huge cross/crux/crucis/crucifix/crutch"
"great crooked"
or "yellow death" (according to the HRB of Geoff of Monmouth)
and it certainly matches
the "large cruciform platform" quadrifrons at Richborough/Rutupi [city of the legion]
and matches Crocea Mors "Caesar's sword" (Caesar was near Dover/Deal/Richborough).
Though some tried to dismiss it by saying a variant version has Cruc Marc instead, which we haven't yet completely answered, but this is only one alternative tradition and is a very weak counter claim. We have also showed that all 9 of Arthur's battle sites match the Saxon Shore sites, and other Wonders of Britain also match the sites. To me we have stark evidences but they keep evading it for some covert reason.


Edited by Arthur-Robin - 27-Sep-2017 at 07:47
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