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Why has Pakistan sometimes considered India?

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    Posted: 07-May-2016 at 18:44
Why has Pakistan historically been part of the South Asian region in politics?

This is something I've always wondered. Domestically, the region has been treated like "Turkey" or "Xinjiang", and while it had great dealings with continental culture, it has always been treated as a different ethnicity or race.

Indus River
The river was given this name by foreigners, and is ultimately descended from the Sanskrit word for "river". India would have never been called "India" prior to the adoption of western naming practices... at the most, it can be equated to the Europe/Asia divide created by the Ancient Greeks.

Indus Valley Civilization
I will admit that this one will cause controversy, but the civilization was created by those of South Indian (Dravidian) descent - these people are the Native Americans of the region.

British Empire
The empire included many territories that have been annexed by other geographical entities (UAE, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore, etc) but never included important South Asian territories (Sri Lanka, Maldives, etc) due to British conflicts with other European colonizers.

Linguistic and Cultural similarities between North Indians and Pakistanis
South Indians are considered to be a "home" ethnic group in India, and while South Indian culture shares a large amount of it's culture with North India, it has very little overlap with Pakistani culture. Pakistanis on the other hand share a great deal of culture with Afghanistan and the Middle East.

Similarities such as language and food are negligible, as similarities are shared with East Asians (Bhutan etc) and South East-Asians (between Tamils and Malays/Indonesians). One could argue that South Indians infact share a lot more history and culture with East Asia, as their direct links with South-East Asia were more prominent through their naval based South Indian empires.

The economic integration between Pakistan and India is also quite low. Pakistan trades far more with Middle Eastern countries than with India, despite India being on cordial trading terms with Bangladesh and Maldives; Bangladesh is almost identical to Bengal in India.

Race and Genetics
I've always mistaken Pakistanis for Middle Easterners. Their face shapes are reminiscent of other Middle Easterners. But even genetically, they are treated as a separate ethnic group from North Indians - the halogroups that bind the rest of South Asia together are not shared by Pakistanis, who instead share halogroups with Middle Easterners.

I would also add that racism in the South Asian community would also segregate "Pakistanis" into Middle Easterners. The only times I ever see Pakistanis in Indian culture is through the food similarities between North Indians and Pakistanis (Pakistanis pretending to be North Indian) and occasionally in a Bollywood film.

I've always found it frustrating that Pakistanis are so often included in South Asia. They should be treated more similarly to Turkey or Xinjiang.
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I didn't get why you are finding it frustrating

Pakistan is some kind of trans-country. It is very normal to me. 

You can put it South Asia Group or MiddleEast Group. But there is one think which you can't ignoring the reality of Pakistan has characteristicof both group.

Pakistan is easy, Afganistan's  position is messy, MiddleEast - Central Asia - South Asia

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^ The are several trans-countries similar to Pakistan. Several less famous ones in Africa. The most famous are Turkey (inbetween Europe and Middle East) and Xinjiang (inbetween China and Middle East).

The problem is that both Xinjiang and Turkey are always considered racially and culturally separate from China and Europe, even if they politically group themselves with China and Europe.

Pakistan and Pakistanis still seem to want to be considered as another element of South Asia and India, despite most of this being down to the foreign empires.
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  Quote Aeoli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2016 at 03:40
Originally posted by bigtop

^ The are several trans-countries similar to Pakistan. Several less famous ones in Africa.

I think differently. Most of countries are some kind of trans-countries. Greece is trans-country of Eastern Mediterreanean Countries such as Syria-Lebanon-Israel of course Coastal Turkey. 

Originally posted by bigtop

 The most famous are Turkey (inbetween Europe and Middle East) and Xinjiang (inbetween China and Middle East).

55% percent of Xinjiang is Turkic (Uyghur+Kazakh) and 40% is Han now. You know that don't you.

Originally posted by bigtop


The problem is that both Xinjiang and Turkey are always considered racially and culturally separate from China and Europe, even if they politically group themselves with China and Europe.

Cultural & Racial ???

What is your criteria in Cultural Case?

About Racial

According to this, it seems India is part of Muslim world in racial case. 

People in West and East called the Greeks and Greece when they saw them first time. Italians have focused on people in Epir and Persians have focused on people in South-West Anatolia.   

"Aristotle was the first to use the name Graeci (Γραικοί) in Meteorology, saying that the area about Dodona and Achelous was inhabited by the Selli and a people formerly called Graeci, but at his time Hellenes.[2] From this statement of Aristotle it is asserted that the name of Graeci was at one period widely spread in Epirus and the western coast of Greece in general, hence it became the one by which the Hellenes were known to the Italic peoples on the opposite side of the Ionian Sea.[1] According to Hesiod, in his workCatalogue of WomenGraecus was the son of Pandora and Zeus; he gave his name to the people who followed the Hellenic customs, while his brother Latinus gave his name to the Latins;[3] similarly the eponymous Hellen is supposed to have given his name to the Greeks/Hellenes. In Ethnica, Stephanus of Byzantium also states that from Graecus, the son of Thessalus, the Hellenes derived the name of Graeci.[4][5]

The name "Yūnān" (Persian: یونان), came through Old Persian, during the era of the Achaemenid Persian Empire (550-333 BC). Derived from the Old Persian designation "Yauna" for the Ionian Greeks (Ancient GreekἸάονες,iāones), who inhabited the western coast of Asia Minor[6][7] and were the first Greeks the Persian came in contact with. The term was eventually applied to all the Greeks.[8] Today, the word Yūnān can be found in Persian, Turkish, Azeri, Uzbek, Kurdish, Armenian (as Yūnānistan "land of Yūnān"; -istan "land" in Persian), Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Indian (Hindi), Laz, Pashto, Urdu, Indonesian, Malay."


Name Indus is coming from river Indus, so current republic of India should choose different english name. Technically there is no country who can demand right on name india without Pakistan. 





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