Origins of The Celts

And, there also exists some contention concerning just what were the "Pillars of Hercules!" Just what "reliable evidence" can be found that places them there at that time?

I have sometimes seen them shown in the middle of Russia!
Ron

Edited by opuslola - 06-Feb-2014 at 19:26

Blood tests men little to me! Culture is more important! And the only reason these people, who/whom ever they were, are certainly expected to be from beyond (to the West of) the entrance into the Med. Sea!

But, that is nothing sure or factual, since these very pillars existence are disputed for centuries.

Comment sa/ca va ?

Funny French!

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=861308

Ron

Ian wrote;

"4. Are we still both on the same thread "The Origins of The Celts"? I'm fairly certain the Celts didn't build the Pillars of Hercules, but.......Stern Smile"

Well if perhaps some old map maker placed them in the Steppe area, then they too were wrong? Remember above I merely stated "Russia" and that covers quite a bit of "steppe" area.

So, if your "Celts", and I think it more correct to spell this as "KELT", did conceivably come from this steppe area, then the building of these Pillars? could well be true.

But you see?, I don't really believe that these things, just like the "Pillars of Alexander" means not a real "pillar" but fortresses, covering a pass! A "armed gate" if you please!

Regards, ron

Edited by opuslola - 06-Feb-2014 at 21:45

There were 12 pillars of Hercules. The ones in Atlantis account are clearly Gibraltar ones, though they were probably the ones of temple of Hercules in Tartessos which matches Hercules name site at Huelva. (Pillars of ALexander and Hercules are connected with Gilgamesh.)

Atlantis/Pillars are on-topic not wandering away because Celts "sky fall on heads" is connected with Atlas and world pillar of Atlantis. There is no doubt that one origin of some "Celts" is Atlantis &/or Athenians/Hercules. Herodotus says the Celts are the westernmost people of Europe with the Cynetes, and the other Atlantis/Celts evidences i already listed (i'll list it again as you say you haven't seen any evidence yet i posted it, which is the very same thing they kept doing to me on Historum).


- *Celt's* "sky fall on heads" = Atlas / world pillar theme;
- timagenes: *Gauls*/invaders from island/land in middle of ocean which sank.
- Herodotus said the *Celts* are beyond the pillars of hercules and are the most westerly people of europe (excepting/with the cynesians/cynetes).)
- BA/Beakers/Celts (McEvedy/JHawkes) seem to arrive about time of Atlantis versus Athens/Hercules. (Compared timelines of thread page 2.)
(- Ogham script & runes found in Peterborough North America?)
- Atlantic theory &/or central west europe theory (& Spain theory) of origin of Celts fits with Atlanteans.
- Albion son of Neptune [Poseidon/Atlantis] (Holinshed) versus Hercules [Athens].
- "Latinus, 'king of Chittim', led his army 'against the inhabitants of Britannia' - in the time of Joshua!" [possibly matches Atlanteans/Keftiou/Caphtorim about time of Moses/Joshua?]
- celts had towering sefaring ships in caesar's time (and london was a port with hundreds of ships)
- quoits/chambers/dolmens ~ Atlas (sky/earth bearer/pillar) motif?
- earthworks & henges/rings/stone circles
- stonehenge (concentric rings, 5x2)?
[- baths of Badon ~ Atlantis hot/cold springs?]
- "the name of an head of land in Britaine called _Promontorium Herculis_" (pillars of Hercules?)
- Megaliths on west coast UK (ref Hawkes) = Atlantis [south-]west.
- stonehenge damaged on southwest ~ Atlantis "sunk" southwest?
- Alanus ~ atlantis?
{- cup/saucer markings clava cairns Inverness, rock art Carndonagh/Doagh, & snakelike pathways/patterns fairy ring Uig Skye ~ concentric ringed city of Atlantis / 'Atlantis Cross'?}
- concentric rings bryn-celli-ddu. (phallic stone & vulvic slit ~ poseidon & clito).
- maiden castle (concentric rings)?
- disk/bowl/bell/double bell at Normanton Down (rings/clito, canals)?

Of course some of these may rather be pre-Celtic.

If i have wandered away or only talking of some people that became Celts as you say then you should be clear what "Celts" (and origin theory) you are only interested in. And you said yourself that "no one knows the birthplace of celtic culture". You don't accept the Hallstatt/Cimmerians theory of WEFilmer etc, you don't accept the Atlantic theory, you don't accept the Spain theory, you don't accept the central west Europe theory, you don't accept the Tocharian theory, you don't accept Nennius'/etc theory.
Scholars all seem to agree that Celts and Italics were close [Kittim? Trojans?] for sometime before they split.

Darn messing up my offline studies again having to answer replies after i tried to leave.

Fine stuff you (to be rude to you since you are rude to me). I'll bugger off then if you are going to insult me calling me off-trolley, rambling, mad, incoherent, irrelevant, unconnected (though the word "facts" i don't begrudge). Afterall it is your topic anyway. My posts are no more odd than any others including yours. If i am not an investigator then how come i am the one thart found Arthur's 12 battles, Atlantis, the Wonders of Britain, Joseph in Egypt, etc etc when all your solemn stuck-up "scholars" couldn't for decades/centuries/milleniums? Pillars of Hercules was only incidental in relation to Atlanteans/Celts evidences which you/Opuslola blew up into a big issue. You can rubbish me but you can't rubbish the evidences and sources like Herodotus, Timagenes, etc. I'd rather trust the ancients own acconts than your stupid modern "scientists" theories (and semi-misleading or cheating haplotypes). Sorry maybe i missed your theory or didn't read the posts properly or confused you with other poster but you or other seemed to just not accept any of the extant theories and put forward none of your own. The Iberian theory doesn't necessarily seem that strong to me either. One source gives evidence that Celts and Scandinavians are close (maybe from upper Rhine), but you're on your own no more free help from me. You seem to imply you are Celtic/Irish, I thought I was Irish/Celtic/Alpine but I'm certainly not same race as you.

If you mean me, please see the Plato's Atlantis topic (my) last reply days/a week ago where i give more than a single archaeological evidence from more than a little research that it is now [proven] found (though it may yet need even more proof of some points to convince/prove to mainstream). Sorry for any off-topic, I know this topic is Celts origins and i only mentioned it in regards that there seems some evidence of Atlantean or "Herculean" connections with some of the Celts or pre-Celts. I will not be posting any much anymore on AE except to answer any negative replies that i need to.

I was not missing the point (except your topic steppe interest). I have already proven connection of Atlantis with origin of some Celts and they are not unconnected or suspect. (You and Opuslola were the ones that going on about Pillars.) But don't worry i won't be posting anymore on it, esp now that you have made it clear your topic is only Euro/Pontic/Caspian/Steppe (whether you didn't before, or did and i missed it).

Basques believe that Gentiles were their ancestors. The ancient Celts were also Gentiles. Henri Boudet writes in his book 'The true Celtic language and the Cromleck of Rennes-les-Bains' that Celts knew tiles. Cambridge Advanced English Dictionary relates: ang. gentile, Gentile ['dзen.tail] – a person who is not Jewish; ang. gen [dзen] – information about a particular subject, tile [tail] – a thin, usually square or rectangular, piece of baked clay, plastic, etc. used for covering roofs, floors, walls; and in French dictionary is written: fr. gentil – pagan, nice, gentle, kind .