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    Posted: 30-Jan-2014 at 22:28
Ron: OK, but putting aside the myth of Romulus and Remus, who do you thing actually founded Rome? Who was the individual behind the construction of the great city as it is recorded in history? If you're saying that a Pope rejected the Romulus and Remus myth because they were pagans, there's not a great deal to say, except that they weren't Jewish either.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jan-2014 at 23:24
I would suggest that one should become familiar with the "Fomenko" view?

Until you do that, you are lost!

Many regards and thanks,   Ron

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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 01:25
Originally posted by opuslola

I would suggest that one should become familiar with the "Fomenko" view?

Until you do that, you are lost!

Many regards and thanks,   Ron


Then it appears that I shall stumble in the darkness forever, never knowing what great truths the Great Fomenko could have revealed to me.

A traveller lost in time, forever denied the route to the Great Knowledge. Woe is me, woe is me!
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 16:57
Do not "stumble in the darkness forever..." My friend! Just read it!

Light might well show from the darkness!

Thank you my friend!

Ron

BTY, would you like to discuss Easter?

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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 17:55
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But just why would an artist display it with curved walls? In other depictions of Rome that I have analyzed or searched, there supposedly existed a half dozen or so in various parts of the city and none that I can remember had curves.


Take a look at all the towers of the Papal Palace. Notice the towers flanking the gate in the bottom right of the picture. Examine every building in the picture that has a roof which ends in a point. All of them have curved sides. This is the way the artist is drawing structures that end in a point - including the pyramid. It is certainly unusual, but it looks like a consistent habit of the artist and not a peculiarity of the pyramid.

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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 18:02
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And just why would a Pope mind the fact that the founders of Roma were pagans? Hells bells, most everything in this city that remained as ancient were built by them. How about the "rotunda", or the coliseum just to mention two.

The Pope didn't mind that Romulus was a pagan. He knew the history of Rome well enough. It is just that a pagan monument would not have been as important as improving the approach to the Christian Basilica.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 18:10
Yes, of course a verbatim answer from one defending the "Status Quo!"

Are you but a useful "mouthpiece" for the currently accepted chronology or afraid?

Again, how about Easter?

Regards, Ron

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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 18:34
Originally posted by opuslola

Yes, of course a verbatim answer from one defending the "Status Quo!"

Are you but a useful "mouthpiece" for the currently accepted chronology or afraid?

Again, how about Easter?

Regards, Ron

Is this directed at me? Who am I quoting 'verbatim'? I'm happy to help you investigate your research, but don't throw accusations at me when your own evidence for anything you claim is so woefully lacking. If you haven't the evidence to oppose what I put before you, then find it.

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 18:35
By the way! Roma/Rome according to the Fomenko Group was founded via those Greek Romans who escaped from the fall of Constantinople/ Istambol!

Hear it here first! LOL

Ron

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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 19:20
Originally posted by opuslola

Do not "stumble in the darkness forever..." My friend! Just read it!

Light might well show from the darkness!

Thank you my friend!

Ron

BTY, would you like to discuss Easter?


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 12:10
Originally posted by toyomotor

Ron: OK, but putting aside the myth of Romulus and Remus, who do you thing actually founded Rome? Who was the individual behind the construction of the great city as it is recorded in history? If you're saying that a Pope rejected the Romulus and Remus myth because they were pagans, there's not a great deal to say, except that they weren't Jewish either.


Ian, the Fomenko Group, would suggest that Rome, in Italy was founded by people fleeing from the so called "Othman/Ottoman" hordes in the East. Thus it was developed in the Middle Ages. And as you well know, not all of those who either fled were pure Greek speakers, or even Orthodox in religion or even of pure Eastern blood lines.

Thus my questioning of the great age of St. Peter's in Roma. Actually I think Fomenko, et.al, would claim that Ravenna might well have been the first New Rome, and Naples maybe the second?

Ron



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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 19:55
Originally posted by opuslola

Originally posted by toyomotor

Ron: OK, but putting aside the myth of Romulus and Remus, who do you thing actually founded Rome? Who was the individual behind the construction of the great city as it is recorded in history? If you're saying that a Pope rejected the Romulus and Remus myth because they were pagans, there's not a great deal to say, except that they weren't Jewish either.


Ian, the Fomenko Group, would suggest that Rome, in Italy was founded by people fleeing from the so called "Othman/Ottoman" hordes in the East. Thus it was developed in the Middle Ages. And as you well know, not all of those who either fled were pure Greek speakers, or even Orthodox in religion or even of pure Eastern blood lines.

Thus my questioning of the great age of St. Peter's in Roma. Actually I think Fomenko, et.al, would claim that Ravenna might well have been the first New Rome, and Naples maybe the second?

Ron

Mate, so how do you overcome scientific evidence such as radio carbon dating, translation of ancient texts and so on?
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 19:00
Mate! I consider radio carbon dating the whore of mainstream history fraud! The problems with it are, as the Bible says, "Legion!"

And, please show me any original "ancient texts!" Please?

"A bird in one hand and a beer in the other!" an ancient Australian euphemism!!!

Gu-day! LOL

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Mate! I consider radio carbon dating the whore of mainstream history fraud! The problems with it are, as the Bible says, "Legion!"

And, please show me any original "ancient texts!" Please?

"A bird in one hand and a beer in the other!" an ancient Australian euphemism!!!

Gu-day! LOL
1. I don't agree with you about Radio Carbon Dating, but there it is!
2. (I daren't use the word "countless" so...) There are many ancients texts, drawings etc. which corroborate what scientists are saying.
3. Did you realise that in Oz slang, a "bird" is a "shiela" a girl? So what's wrong with that?
 
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Ian you wrote above, amongst other things, these words;

"3. Did you realise that in Oz slang, a "bird" is a "shiela" a girl? So what's wrong with that?"

Why absolutely nothing! I already knew that "bird" was even an old England word for a "chick!, but in OZ as you put it, it is also the word for a female kangaroo! LOL

Prost! A little Germanic difference!

Smile! It has been an honor to speak with you concerning these topics of mine! Regarde' vous!
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Originally posted by opuslola

Ian you wrote above, amongst other things, these words;

"3. Did you realise that in Oz slang, a "bird" is a "shiela" a girl? So what's wrong with that?"

Why absolutely nothing! I already knew that "bird" was even an old England word for a "chick!, but in OZ as you put it, it is also the word for a female kangaroo! LOL

Prost! A little Germanic difference!

Smile! It has been an honor to speak with you concerning these topics of mine! Regarde' vous!
Ron:
Where did you get this crap???
 A female kangaroo is called a doe, flyer, or jill. The male is a buck.
 
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Originally posted by opuslola

Ian you wrote above, amongst other things, these words; "3. Did you realise that in Oz slang, a "bird" is a "shiela" a girl? So what's wrong with that?" Why absolutely nothing! I already knew that "bird" was even an old England word for a "chick!, but in OZ as you put it, it is also the word for a female kangaroo! LOL Prost! A little Germanic difference! Smile! It has been an honor to speak with you concerning these topics of mine! Regarde' vous!


Ron:
Where did you get this crap???

 A female kangaroo is called a doe, flyer, or jill. The male is a buck.

 

As-Salaam-Alaikum


Where did I get the above "crap?"

From this you arse! Smile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_(Spyro_character)#Sheila_the_Kangaroo
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This to up-date you all about some new information I have obtained.

The following site shows a currently surviving Basilica that I feel, closely represents what modern scholarship considers the Original Basilica of St. Peter's in Rome/Vatican City.

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-92799739/stock-photo-aerial-view-of-piazza-maggiore-and-basilica-san-petrino-from-top-of-asinelli-tower-bologna-italy.html

http://www.basilicadisanpetronio.it/

http://www.basilicadisanpetronio.it/Pages/EstPag1.html

Interestingly, it seems that the above basilica, was originally planned to be larger than Old St. Peter's!

Please see;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Petronio_Basilica

From the Wiki article above are these words;

"Following a council decree of 1388, the first stone of construction was laid June 7, 1390, when the town council entrusted Antonio di Vincenzo with raising a Gothic cathedral. Works lasted for several centuries: after the completion of the first version of the facade, in 1393 the first pair of side chapels were begun. The series were completed only in 1479.
However, in 1514 Arduino degli Arriguzzi proposed a revised plan in the form of a Latin cross with the intent to outdo even Saint Peter's Basilica of Rome, the greatest church of the Western Christian world even in its ancient version. By tradition Pope Pius IV halted such a majestic project."



So very similar but reportedly separated by our currently accepted chronology by almost 1,000 years.

Another representation of Old St. Peter's basilica.

http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/61000/61037/61037_old_st_peter.htm

Please compare these.


http://www.bolognawelcome.com/en/places-to-see/history-art/params/CategorieLuoghi_34/Luoghi_129/ref/Basilica%20of%20San%20Petronio

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