Notice: This is the official website of the All Empires History Community (Reg. 10 Feb 2002)

  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

British empire terminology

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
bobby79 View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 25-Sep-2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6
  Quote bobby79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: British empire terminology
    Posted: 25-Sep-2013 at 15:53
Hi, this is my first post. Good to meet y'all  Big smile

My question is pretty simple:

In the Kubrick film "Barry Lyndon", the British army recruiter says the army is looking to replace "Veterans who deserve to be pensioned as letter-men". This takes place during the Seven Years' War (1756–1763).

I've googled this, but couldn't find any information; the British Army home page couldn't help, either. What was a "letter-man"?  Confused

Also, they're playing a card game that seems to be called "Killarney".  I'm fascinated about old games like these, but googling "Killarney" doesn't turn anything up. Anyone know what this was?

thanks,
bobby
Back to Top
red clay View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Tomato Master Emeritus

Joined: 14-Jan-2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10108
  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Sep-2013 at 17:27
Hi and welcome aboard.  Your the first newbie since I opened reg. for the first time in 3 mons.  Spammers were driving me nuts.  Sorry I have no answers for you, but I'm certain one of our members will.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
Back to Top
bobby79 View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 25-Sep-2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6
  Quote bobby79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Sep-2013 at 17:35
Great, thanks.

I'm sure an expert will come along sooner or later and reveal the mystery  Thumbs Up


bobby
Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14613
  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Sep-2013 at 23:46
Letter-man is postman i suppose bobby 79!They gave civil job to soldier after service.
Back to Top
Mountain Man View Drop Down
General
General
Avatar

Joined: 16-Aug-2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 873
  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2013 at 11:45
Veterans who were released received a letter attesting to their service and preventing them from being impressed into service again.

Pensions were virtually non-existent in the English army of yore, even for severely wounded veterans.


Edited by Mountain Man - 26-Sep-2013 at 11:47
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Back to Top
bobby79 View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 25-Sep-2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6
  Quote bobby79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2013 at 12:05
Ahhh, right...."LETTER-men"! Makes perfect sense. Thanks a ton for that. Now when we watch "Barry Lyndon" next time, I can sound smart  :D



Back to Top
Sidney View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel
Avatar

Joined: 31-Jan-2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 690
  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2013 at 12:31
They were sergeants of good character who, after a long service, were awarded the King's Letter, which meant they were entitled to receive one shilling a day in pension (previously to setting this up the pensioned off would be sent to the Chelsea Hospital and were given five pence a day). They were known as the 'King's Letter Men'. They were limited to a number of 200, but were doubled to 400 in 1783.
Back to Top
bobby79 View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 25-Sep-2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6
  Quote bobby79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2013 at 12:53
Awesome, yeah, I just read the Wikipedia article about Chelsea...very interesting stuff here. Only 200 originally? Seems pretty low considering the number of soldiers serving at the time...but I suppose 200 was better than none.
Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14613
  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2013 at 16:25
No civil service job after army?!?And they took it peacefully?
Back to Top
bobby79 View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 25-Sep-2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6
  Quote bobby79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2013 at 18:03
From what I'm reading, it seems like pensioners were given Royal Chelsea Hospital as a sort of vacation destination--they called it a "retreat". I'm assuming that was their post-service compensation (as well as Sidney's mentioning of earning a shilling per day).  Doesn't seem like much, does it? I'm not exactly sure what "a shilling per day" amounts to in present-day USD or pounds, but it seems like little more than a stipend.


Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14613
  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2013 at 00:41
Back to Top
bobby79 View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 25-Sep-2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6
  Quote bobby79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2013 at 10:52
Yep, just as I suspected...not a whole lot. Definitely not even minimum wage by today's standards  Wacko
Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14613
  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2013 at 14:59
There are still people in the world that live slogan "Another day,another dollar"!Big smile
Back to Top
toyomotor View Drop Down
Baron
Baron

BANNED TROLL

Joined: 25-Dec-2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 387
  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2014 at 00:23
Originally posted by bobby79

From what I'm reading, it seems like pensioners were given Royal Chelsea Hospital as a sort of vacation destination--they called it a "retreat". I'm assuming that was their post-service compensation (as well as Sidney's mentioning of earning a shilling per day).  Doesn't seem like much, does it? I'm not exactly sure what "a shilling per day" amounts to in present-day USD or pounds, but it seems like little more than a stipend.


A Shilling was one twentieth of a Pound. In those days it was a reasonable sum. In terminological terms, it was equivalent to modern day 10cents, which is almost valueless.
Back to Top
TeacherShaun View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard


Joined: 02-Dec-2016
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1
  Quote TeacherShaun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2016 at 07:38
Hi all, I've just stumbled upon this website and post by chance and I'm hoping someone can help! 

P.S.Now post here name of the game without link inside or evaporate.Smile


Edited by medenaywe - 02-Dec-2016 at 08:19
Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14613
  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2016 at 08:21
Kilarney is town in Northern Ireland:
Back to Top
Centrix Vigilis View Drop Down
Emperor
Emperor
Avatar

Joined: 18-Aug-2006
Location: The Llano
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7392
  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2016 at 09:03
I've looked high.. low and in between for that alleged card game..never found it. could be a phantom of Kubrick's mind..dunno..he was a tad strange after all. otoh I did find this again reference BL.
see: http://www.coldbacon.com/movies/barrylyndon-review.html


Edited by medenaywe - 03-Dec-2016 at 01:03
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.56a [Free Express Edition]
Copyright ©2001-2009 Web Wiz

This page was generated in 0.094 seconds.