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    Posted: 12-Aug-2013 at 14:11
Hi everyone, I just made this: 


The blue color's the Serb. Montenegrin is red-orange, while Bosnian is green(ish). The violet is Albanian. 
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According to the map, most of the people in Montenegro speak Serbian?AFAIK, Montenegrian, a dialect of Serbian, was pronounced as a language of its own right in 1990, and became the national language of the country. This would mean that the school education is made in Montenegrin, not Serbian, countrywise, not only n Bar, Podgorica and Cetihje, no?
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Aug-2013 at 18:29

Shocked According to this ethnic map, not just Serbs in Mont. speaks Serbian. Many Montenegrins also speaks Serbian

Shocked Turkey has the biggest Montenegrin population after Montenegro (from wikipedia)

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Ethno-linguistic maps make claims that may be contested ( as is already done here). Please provide maps with references/links to sources ( containing the map or backing up the claim by other means).
 
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Aug-2013 at 00:38
What word Montenegro people use for work????LOL
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  Quote Yugoslav Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Aug-2013 at 09:39
Originally posted by Sander

Ethno-linguistic maps make claims that may be contested ( as is already done here). Please provide maps with references/links to sources ( containing the map or backing up the claim by other means).
 
 
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A map was made by myself. The source for making it is the official population census by the Statistical Office of Montenegro (2011). 

Originally posted by Don Quixote

According to the map, most of the people in Montenegro speak Serbian?AFAIK, Montenegrian, a dialect of Serbian, was pronounced as a language of its own right in 1990, and became the national language of the country. This would mean that the school education is made in Montenegrin, not Serbian, countrywise, not only n Bar, Podgorica and Cetihje, no?

Yes, in the last and very recent population census a relative majority of 43% have declared that their native language is Serbian. 

Originally posted by Don Quixote

AFAIK, Montenegrian, a dialect of Serbian, was pronounced as a language of its own right in 1990, and became the national language of the country.

No, it became the national language of the country in 2007, with the adoption of a new constitution. Prior to that, its position was held by the Serbian language. 

Although one could freely say that Montenegrin is in a way a Serbian dialect, I think that many would find that at least a bit problematic, if not offensive (there were people who considered that there is a separate Montenegrin language a lot before its official adoption in '07)...

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This would mean that the school education is made in Montenegrin, not Serbian, countrywise, not only n Bar, Podgorica and Cetihje, no?

In the lower and middle education system, a uniform standard of the Montenegrin (or Serbian for that matter) language is used in all schools obligatorily. Due to the policentric nature of the Serbo-Croatian linguistic continuum, the language is (as of recently, in 2011 and amended again in 2013 after a constitutional court ruling that abolished the previous agreement) named in accordance to a comprise of the political leadership: 

Montenegrin-Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian Language and Literature

The political compromise was satisfactory for both sides due to giving options of multiple interpretation: for one side, it means that Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian are just alternative names for the Montenegrin language; for others, a distinct 'Montenegrin-Serbian' language was thus acknowledged, separating it from Bosnian and Croatian, which are different languages. 

Both Montenegrin and Serbian standardized languages have got two literary standards. One of them is identical i.e. common for both, so that is why I wrote or Serbian for that matter, both standards being taught in the schools, i.e. the one which is exclusively Montenegrin and the other shared by both languages. However, teachers are instructed to favor the former over the latter. 

The program for studying literature is as also as of recently exclusively limited to the literary heritage of Montenegro, excluding other writers of our language who were born or mostly worked outside the country. 

On the higher level of public education, there is no specific official naming of the language. The Philosophical Faculty of the country's University located in Nikšić has two different sections: 
* Serbian Language and South Slavic Literary Traditions
* Montenegrin Language and South Slavic Literary Traditions - founded in 2008

Although the first is the old and traditional one, the latter is getting more and more interest and support from the Montenegrin authorities, while the former is slowly getting the treatment of a foreign language of interest (like the Russian, Italian, French and German Language & Literature Sections). Both Sections are perhaps in some sort of a silent war as they look very grim upon each other, the first not wanting this one to "take their juuubs", while the other wanted to merely rename the "Serbian" into "Montenegrin". In the former, one will learn that there is no such thing a separate language from Montenegrin, while in the latter one would learn that there is and that its literary heritage does not belong to the corpus Serbian literature. In the Serbian Section, one will learn quite a lot about the literary traditions of Former Yugoslavia, though with a special concentration on the Montenegrin (and to an extent Serb in general). In the latter, it is slightly the other way around - Montenegrin literature is studying with a minor detour into other Yugoslav literary traditions. Regardless, everyone who graduates from both sections - just like anyone graduating in the 'BCS' languages in the rest of Former Yugoslavia or even further abroad - can domestically teach "Montenegrin-Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian Language and Literature" in schools. 

In the Municipality of Ulcinj, a completely separate lower and secondary level of education exists in the Albanian language. In the ethnically-Albanian Civic Municipality region of Podgorica (not seen on the map, its eastern portion) called Tuzi, education in Albanian and of Albanian language and literature is also granted to a certain degree through a bilingual form, along with the 'M-S,B,C'...

Another notable change in MNE, although it is not as pertinent to the thread as the whole linguistic issue, is that throughout the past decade Montenegro has also gradually seen a change in abandoning Cyrillic and accepting the Latin script as the main one. This is seen in the mass-usage of Latin in all levels, as well as almost completely in education - Cyrillic is mostly just taught as an alternative script. Some professors promote Cyrillic out of this or that reason, but that is just due to individual examples of personal preference, and mostly in conservative areas or those in which there is a Serb dominance. 

P. S. Of course, there are many who think that the M-S,B,C compromise is bad and a lot more who think that it is illegal, or better said unconstitutional. This goes in the first line among Montenegrin nationalists, who are very angry that they could not get the original intention of the authorities - that the name of the language used in education, is simple just "Montenegrin". This situation remains to see the test of time, as many think (hope) that this will happen soon in the future, all these chaotic events being nothing but a gradual tradition in swaying away from the Serbian language and Central South Slavic Diasystem linguistic heritage in general, towards a standardized and obligatory 'Montenegrin language' for all. It is also their hope that this would bring forth speedily the cultural assimilation of the non-Montenegrin population, the spread of the Montenegrin language into one day the nation's majority language and general affirmation of the distinct Montenegrin national identity and the country's sovereignty. Though in declaration a civic country, its authorities have on more than one occasion stepped forward pushing for mostly Montenegrin national interests. 


Edited by Yugoslav - 13-Aug-2013 at 10:07
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