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    Posted: 08-Dec-2005 at 16:38
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Originally posted by Akskl

OK. Can anybody present any genetic links between Scythians, Sarmatians and modern Iranians or Ossetians, please?

If you are good in interpeting DNA data, I give you an article about MtDNA data of Caucasus population http://www.netrover.com/~rous1/cauc.pdf . I do not know much in the subject, so I might mistake. But what I see from the "Dimension1" plot is the Kazakh,  Kyrgyz and Turk are very distant from Iranians (Iran Isfahun and Iran Tegeran). However look how close Russians, Chekians, other Slavic nations and nations of Caucasus are to Iranians. How come, if all those Scythians, Sarmatians, etc were genetically like Kazakh or Turk, almost all population of Caucasus, Russia and Eastern Europe are so close to Iranians by MtDNA?



An interesting paper indeed. Most relevant seems the following comments in the "discussion":

In particular, Indo-European speaking Armenians and Turkic-speaking Azerbaijanians are genetically most closely related (for both mtDNA and the Y-chromosome) to other Caucasus groups and not to other Indo-European or Turkic-speaking groups (Figures 2A, 2B).

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We suggest that the Y-chromosome results may reflect recent "invading" migrations from the Near East that probably mostly involved males.

(Though I suspect that it doesn't need to be recent ones).

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To explain why mtDNA variation (but not the Y-chromosome) places the Caucasus in an intermediate position between Europe and West Asia, we suggest that this reflects a common ancestry of Caucasus and European populations. This common ancestry could date back to pre-Neolithic times, as suggested by Renfrew (Renfrew, 1992) who considered Caucasian languages to reflect human dispersal over 15,000 years ago.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2005 at 16:43

How ironic and sad, Caucasus Azeris and Armenians are most closely related and are worst enemies.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2005 at 16:46
Originally posted by Zagros

How ironic and sad, Caucasus Azeris and Armenians are most closely related and are worst enemies.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2005 at 20:07

There is not enough material from Scythian mumies. We don`t now where they have gone.The oldest kurgans are 2800 years old. The Scythians should be live in Ukraine in III . It is 1000 years  and big area. Were they still the same nation?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Dec-2005 at 22:19
Paul Nazaroff "Hunted Through Central Asia - On the run from Lenin's Secret Police"  Oxford University Press 1993, 2002. First published in 1932.

p.87
"...In the history of the Turki peoples such women of marked personality have played a very important part. There is not the slightest reason to cast suspicion upon the story of Herodotus about the Queen of the Massagetae, Tomyris, who beat the conqueror of Asia, the Persian Emperor Cyrus himself. Historians regard the whole story as a myth, but it fits in perfectly well with everything we know about these nomad peoples of Asia. There is no doubt, as Professor Mischenko thinks, that the Scythian tribe of Massagetae were nothing more nor less than the ancestors of the Kazakh of to-day in the Turgai Province, where the name survives in the River Massagatka and the mountain Mussagat.
But for our great superiority in armament, who knows but that our great hero General Skobeleff would have met the fate of Cyrus. The name of Tomyris, like other Scythian names, is of Turki origin. This name, Tomyris, means "crush iron' or 'bend iron,' from temir, iron; and recalls another famous warrior out of Asia, Temir-leng, Temir the Lame, or Tamerlane, a remote descendant of his famous compatriot Tomyris. If one carefully reads Herodotus's account of the Amazons and their origin, the inevitable conclusion is that these Amazons were the wives of just the same Turki nomads whose menfolk had gone off on some military expedition to some remote district. The first syllable of their very name is a Turki word, conveying the idea of woman. In the same way his remarkable description of the Scythians, their manners and customs, does not leave any room for doubt that he was describing the ancestors of that same people which is to-day called Kazakh, and from the most remote dawn of antiquity has inhabited the steppes of Southern Russian and Western Siberia."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Dec-2005 at 17:40
There's another thread ongoing on this topic so I'm closing this one...

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