Topic: Who are the descendants of ancient Scythi Posted: 08-Dec-2005 at 16:38
Originally posted by Anbalan
Originally posted by Akskl
OK. Can anybody present any genetic
links between Scythians, Sarmatians and modern Iranians or Ossetians,
please?
If you are good in interpeting DNA data, I give you an article about MtDNA data of Caucasus population http://www.netrover.com/~rous1/cauc.pdf .
I do not know much in the subject, so I might mistake. But what I see
from the "Dimension1" plot is the Kazakh, Kyrgyz and Turk are
very distant from Iranians (Iran Isfahun and Iran Tegeran). However
look how close Russians, Chekians, other Slavic nations and nations of
Caucasus are to Iranians. How come, if all those Scythians, Sarmatians,
etc were genetically like Kazakh or Turk, almost all population of
Caucasus, Russia and Eastern Europe are so close to Iranians
by MtDNA?
An interesting paper indeed. Most relevant seems the following comments in the "discussion":
In particular, Indo-European speaking
Armenians and Turkic-speaking Azerbaijanians are genetically most
closely related (for both mtDNA and the Y-chromosome) to other Caucasus
groups and not to other Indo-European or Turkic-speaking groups
(Figures 2A, 2B).
...
We suggest that the Y-chromosome
results may reflect recent "invading" migrations from the Near East
that probably mostly involved males.
(Though I suspect that it doesn't need to be recent ones).
...
To explain why mtDNA variation (but
not the Y-chromosome) places the Caucasus in an intermediate position
between Europe and West Asia, we suggest that this reflects a common
ancestry of Caucasus and European populations. This common ancestry
could date back to pre-Neolithic times, as suggested by Renfrew
(Renfrew, 1992) who considered Caucasian languages to reflect human
dispersal over 15,000 years ago.
There is not enough material from Scythian mumies. We don`t now where they have gone.The oldest kurgans are 2800 years old. The Scythians should be live in Ukraine in III . It is 1000 years and big area. Were they still the same nation?
Paul Nazaroff "Hunted Through Central Asia - On the run from Lenin's
Secret Police" Oxford University Press 1993, 2002. First
published in 1932.
p.87
"...In the history of the Turki peoples such women of marked
personality have played a very important part. There is not the
slightest reason to cast suspicion upon the story of Herodotus about
the Queen of the Massagetae, Tomyris, who beat the conqueror of Asia,
the Persian Emperor Cyrus himself. Historians regard the whole story
as a myth, but it fits in perfectly well with everything we know about
these nomad peoples of Asia. There is no doubt, as Professor Mischenko
thinks, that the Scythian tribe of Massagetae were nothing more nor
less than the ancestors of the Kazakh of to-day in the Turgai Province,
where the name survives in the River Massagatka and the mountain
Mussagat.
But for our great superiority in armament, who knows but that our great
hero General Skobeleff would have met the fate of Cyrus. The name of
Tomyris, like other Scythian names, is of Turki origin. This name,
Tomyris, means "crush iron' or 'bend iron,' from temir, iron; and
recalls another famous warrior out of Asia, Temir-leng, Temir the Lame,
or Tamerlane, a remote descendant of his famous compatriot Tomyris. If
one carefully reads Herodotus's account of the Amazons and their
origin, the inevitable conclusion is that these Amazons were the wives
of just the same Turki nomads whose menfolk had gone off on some
military expedition to some remote district. The first syllable of
their very name is a Turki word, conveying the idea of woman. In the
same way his remarkable description of the Scythians, their manners and
customs, does not leave any room for doubt that he was describing the
ancestors of that same people which is to-day called Kazakh, and from
the most remote dawn of antiquity has inhabited the steppes of Southern Russian and Western Siberia."
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