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Nick1986
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Topic: Most decadent civilisation Posted: 15-Jun-2013 at 20:59 |
Nearly every civilisation has undergone three distinct stages: aggression and expansionism, wealth and decadence, and finally decline and fall. The Roman emperors enjoyed orgies with men and women, the ancient Greeks buggered young boys, and the Egyptian kings committed incest with close relatives. Even the Israelites frequented temple prostitutes and sacrificed their own children to Baal. Of all the ancient civilisations of the ancient world, which one was the worst?
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Posted: 15-Jun-2013 at 22:48 |
The Assyrians. Their savagery had no limits.
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Posted: 15-Jun-2013 at 23:23 |
The Islamic . As far as motivated violence is concerned.
Though it was violent right from the beginning, it got civilized with contacts with Persia , Byzantium Egypt and India. The Umayyad and the Abbasids were intelectually sophisticated. After them, Islamic civilization ceased to contribute to human welfare.
Even today, you can see the savagery in North Africa and Palestine where beheadings, amputations and religious mass murders are rampant. Even in Thailand, Buddhists are beheaded regularly.
The Irony is , Al Quaedas funding comes from the Gulf countries--apparently quoted to prove Islamic civilization.
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Posted: 15-Jun-2013 at 23:45 |
Oh sorry Nick ..i didn't note your Question properly. You ask about ancient civilizations dont you?
If you ask about contemporary civilization, my answer is Islamic.
In the ancient world, the Assyrians were probably very nasty and were sure to collapse.
Babylon under Hammurabi had it coming.Lay people talk of his code without noting how cruel and vengeful it was.
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Posted: 16-Jun-2013 at 00:34 |
By reputation, or maybe we should say myth/legend, Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Posted: 17-Jun-2013 at 04:22 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Nearly every civilisation has undergone three distinct stages: aggression and expansionism, wealth and decadence, and finally decline and fall. The Roman emperors enjoyed orgies with men and women, the ancient Greeks buggered young boys, and the Egyptian kings committed incest with close relatives. Even the Israelites frequented temple prostitutes and sacrificed their own children to Baal. Of all the ancient civilisations of the ancient world, which one was the worst?
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Cannibals of Africa maybe? Who knows... In modern Afghanistan there is still a tradition about dancing boys that are also sodomized by older men, so those ancient habbits didn't die out.
I think that the most dehumanized tradition is neither sexual perversions, nor incest, but cannibalism. Eating humans was never a recorded practice in the history of Greece, Rome or Egypt. Cannibalism, which still exists, has always been a tradition found in cultures near the Equator (tropical zone).
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 09:56 |
Certainly the Romans enjoyed decadence and I would say the Greeks absolutely, but to be honest in terms of the love of throwing away ones religious and family values for the sake of unadultereated hedonism I would suggest that trophy belongs to the modern civilisation - The West
Historically though, it may also be worth looking at Persia :)
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 10:32 |
Yeap,before Cristianity&Islam we were all Decadent,barcelonic!We belive in other religius dream.
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 12:32 |
Why do the people say Assyrians ?(Shamshir-Suryavajra)
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 13:01 |
Interesting how quick we are to judge the ancients based on our own moral code of today, which has absolutely no relevance or applicability to the ancient realms.
If history has taught us nothing else, it is that Man is not at heart a moral animal, but rather one who is driven by his base instincts.
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 15:23 |
I do not think Decadent means pejorative at all!For new religions it was...It is still..
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 15:36 |
Divine character adores religious dream all around the world.We are all divine creations by the way.God creates us.We still have different names for Creator.If it is so,why decadent has to be bad???If i use Ancient Egyptian last two sentences could have been spoken with 15 syllables.
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 23:27 |
is there a reason why religion seems to be popping up quite a lot (or in every post since mine)?
How is that a factor in the decadence of a civilisation?
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Posted: 11-Nov-2013 at 00:04 |
Do you think religion needs new upgrade?!? No more popping,please!
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Posted: 20-May-2014 at 07:57 |
%100 Assyrians are bad , they killed many anatolian they sacked our land!!!
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Posted: 20-May-2014 at 17:57 |
There seems to be massive confusion and misunderstanding over the actual subject, which is decadence, not savagery.
The Romans probably place at or near the top in this category.
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Posted: 20-May-2014 at 19:35 |
Yes, it's gone off on a toot. I'll try to back up MM here and get it back in line.
My votes go to 3, the Etruscans, the Minoans, and the Romans.
Decadence (originally meaning "decline") usually means a perceived decay in standards, morals, dignity, religious faith, or leadership among the members of the elite of a large social structure. By extension, it may mean a decline in art or literature, or (very loosely) to self-indulgent behaviour.
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