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QuoteReplyTopic: Maggie's dead Posted: 08-Apr-2013 at 19:03
Margaret Thatcher died today from a stroke. She was a controversial figure: my parents benefited as they could buy their old council house, but in the north, many factories were closed and countless people lived in poverty.
Life is never perfect and the poor will always get it in the bum...better question if this is a political bashing... is why did her opposition fail to ensure it never came to that before her rise.
Answer? Socialism fails. Always has always will.
As to the Lady-Baroness. Toughest Brit bitch to walk the boards since Elizabeth Rex I.
I'd drank with her anywhere.
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman
Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
Thatchers Britain, welcomed my family, helped us settle and assimilate in Britain, I was too young to understand the huge changes that were occurring in Britain.
But now i can see how vital she was for Britain.
I did never know so full a voice issue from so empty a heart: but the saying is true 'The empty vessel makes the greatest sound'.
Mrs Thatcher was an outstanding leader who did without doubt
save Britain
in the 1980’s.She also helped towards
the end of the Soviet Empire.
I was disgusted at the so called “parties” called to celebrate her death and the attempt
to get a derogatory song to the top of the hit parade or whatever it is called
nowadays.
However, the most heinous crime of her enemies is their
attempts to re-write history, bad enough when we are talking about hundreds of
years in the past but when it is history I have lived through it is hard to
take and a little stupid.
“The third big area is a problem in our country that she
thought she had solved but that now appears in a different guise. We have
mentioned, even quite properly on the Opposition
Benches, that one of her great struggles was to bring the trade unions within
the law decided by this House—not the law that they thought they would abide
by. I have been perplexed by some of the recent newspaper coverage of her
stewardship, much of which has stated that the country was previously
ungovernable. It was governable all right, but not from here and not by the
Government elected by the people. “HC Deb, 10 April 2013, c1652
It seems to me that those who shout the loudest about
democracy, peoples this and peoples that are those who support organisations
who do not believe in any such thing.I
guess that is why some of the most despotic and brutal regimes during the last
century tended to have the word democratic or socialist in their title.
Was Margaret Thatcher divisive? The NUM under Scargill made no secret of the
fact that the strike (for which they had no majority vote) was political in
nature an attempt to bring down an elected government….they failed and their
egos and that of the “Left” have never recovered.Was she divisive for upholding the rule of
law?Was she divisive for allowing
people the freedom to decide if they wished to be a trade union member? Was she
divisive for allowing people to buy their own homes? Was she divisive for
ensuring that the trade union movement did not stop fire fighters from
responding to emergencies?Ambulances
from saving the lives of the sick and injured?It was the trade union and socialist movement that was divisive.
Glenda Jackson typically attempted to re-write history
claiming:
“Our local hospitals were running on empty. Patients were
staying on trolleys in corridors. I tremble to think what the death rate among
pensioners would have been this winter if that version of Thatcherism had been
fully up and running this year.” HC Deb, 10 April
2013, c1649
A pretty good description of the NHS now after over a decade
of socialist government, remember Stafford (and it is just one of many perhaps
most trusts in England),
though having to be sorted out by the present government happened under Labour.
The NHS was turned in to a Stalinist state by the labour government were staff
who complained about poor standards were bullied, hounded and ruined.Blair was right in 1997 the voters did have
24 hours to save the NHS, they elected his government and condemned it to
failure.
Like Cuba?
In many respects it was worse than Cuba before she sorted things out.
The "Iron Lady" has more haters than fans, I think....
αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν
Een aristevin
“Ever to Excel“
From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC).
Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others.
Does she have more “Haters” than fans?I am not so sure, certainly the anti-Thatcher
camp is loud, but empty vessels do make the most noise do they not?The ignorant do tend to be the loudest and
generally most ill mannered.Youth (most
of the protesters appear to be so young that they probably don’t remember John
Major never mind Mrs T) mistakenly seem to think that to be ignorant and ill
mannered is “cool”. It is not it is just ignorant and ill mannered.Perhaps the education system run by
socialists might have something to do with that, who knows. If you ask them why they will quote "Historical Facts" that belong in the fiction or perhaps science fiction shelf in the library. This is the ultimate sin, their politics are up to them but to re-write history is a no no, and as it is recent easily remembered history and can be refuted also rather stupid.
Three election wins, surely an indication that “everyone”
did not hate her.Perhaps more
importantly she is not hated, far from it in the parts of the world freed from socialist
ideology.Her enemies could not bring
her down (which still stings their egos) she was betrayed by her “friends”.
I have no doubt there will be protests, supported (though
from the background as befits cowards) by the socialist movement.This will probably give the present
government a boost as in fact the “haters” are in a minority and the majority
of decent people will be disgusted.So I
guess another victory for Mrs T, as it should be remembered that the younger
conservative MPs are almost certainly Thatcherite as it was her that inspired
them to go into politics.
Maggie Thatcher is greatly admired and respected here in the states. She has earned an honorable place in history, may she rest in peace.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
Not particularly. What it represents is the long held antipathy held by her opponents.
The UK has taken, over it's long history, a premier position in the character assassination of it's politicians and political parties varying ideologies. Where do you think the Americans learned theirs from.
Consequently the vehemence and castigation are nothing new....there or here.
Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 14-Apr-2013 at 14:28
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman
Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
No you misunderstand I have no objection to an opposing view
provided it can be backed with rational argument (the key word is of course rational).No the post is strange as it does not make
any sense.I assume the reference to the
Wizard of Oz song is meant to be offensive (it is in fact merely juvenile) but
the posting above it itself makes little sense.
Interestingly the many downloads of the song are not from
the film but from Lloyd Webbers show, thus making him yet another fortune.Since he is a staunch conservative, admires
Mrs T and gives a great deal of money to them, I suppose you could say another
victory for Maggie.
''No the post is strange as it does not make any sense. I assume the reference to the Wizard of Oz song is meant to be offensive (it is in fact merely juvenile) but the posting above it itself makes little sense''
Not a requirement to 'make sense'.
What's required....is the attention getting mechanism used. And the predictable dependence on the uninformed, ill-informed, stupid, sheeple like mentality of the laymen to promote a gut reaction either pro or con.
Because when you look between the lines you see the marketing of the agenda or it's opposition. Standard shitze. Nothing new.
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman
Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
Well all I can say is that if it represents antipathy held
by her opponents, they could make it a bit clearer.
Destruction of saviours goes much further back than the
recorded history of the UK,
but you are correct Britain
does deal brutally with its leaders, sadly for the last few years there had not
been many that can bear the title.
If a song from a fantasy show is all her opponents’ can muster
in opposition to her legacy then I suppose vehemence and castigation is all they
have and her legacy will endure.Sadly I
can remember when socialists actually had an argument to put forward, history
has proven it incorrect but at least they had an argument.
I would say having spoken to American friends that they
really do not understand the “left” as it exists in Britain.As we over here look on both of their main
parties as conservatives and are often puzzled about their arguments.
I'm finding all of this revisionist claptrap, almost canonizing, this person whose own party kicked her out of her job as Prime Minister, as somewhat amusing. Where were they at the time while so many were celebrating her demise. Where was the public outpouring of anger at those doing these things to her? The public grief?
What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
They were like all good politicos Alani ole amigo.... devising and scheming their replacement as the ever changing political mood swings, economy and ongoing development of world affairs required. To maintain the longevity of their existence.
And in that there is also...nothing new.
To lionize 'after the fact' while cynical and perhaps hypocritical is ntl a requirement. And also is nothing new.....for them or their oppositions leaders during their moments in the sun. Iow. it is not a phenom that may be laid solely at one door. Or political grave.
Which then reminds me again of that wonderful, apt and everlasting enlightening reference....
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Eccl:1-9.
''The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.''
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman
Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
They were like all good politicos Alani ole amigo.... devising and scheming their replacement as the ever changing political mood swings, economy and ongoing development of world affairs required. To maintain the longevity of their existence.
And in that there is also...nothing new.
To lionize 'after the fact' while cynical and perhaps hypocritical is ntl a requirement. And also is nothing new.....for them or their oppositions leaders during their moments in the sun. Iow. it is not a phenom that may be laid solely at one door. Or political grave.
I'm sure you're right, CV, devising and scheming, as memory serves, in the replacement process, played a very crucial part in the ultimate grey man replacement, John Major. The venom exuded by the main two candidates meant that had either of them been chosen, the back biting alone would have all but guaranteed an election defeat. John Major, even without much of a personality to talk of stepped in at the last second. As someone no one had considered for the position, he hadn't accumulated much opposition a person might expect running for office. He became the ultimate compromise. I was pretty impressed by their survival instincts. Disaster was averted. Still, this only accounts for the workings within the Conservative party, which then went on to one final election victory before corruption overtook them. Unlike Maggie herself, who was seen shedding a tear on leaving ten Downing street for the last time as Prime Minister, the people of the UK showed only fascination of the spectacle. There was not a public outpouring of grief for the loss of a politician of the people, who the people had become fond of.
What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
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