Alusharshid, Sarru-kin, Rimush, Anum-muttabbi

If they are Akkadian, you can use the Old Kingdom of Egypt as a timeline.  Both Empires collapsed at about the same time, due to the 300 year drought.  Don't know if that helps any.

the orthodox dates for the Akkadian dynasty and the Old Kingdom (2000s bc) are too early. (The current dates for Sumer before Akkad are also too early, like old/earlier modern sources dates were too early or earlier than current orthodox dates.) Joseph was in the 3rd(to 4th) dynasty (joseph/zaphenath-paneah = djoserty-ankh/sekhemhet [&/or Wyatt's Imhotep? and also related to courville's Unas famine scenes]) so the Old Kingdom (3rd-6th) can't be earlier than about 1800s bc (which seems to be confirmed by decrypted sesor-tosis date). (Evidence also is that Menes/1st dynasty also can't have been before c 2300 bc.) Orthodox synchronism of Akkadian dynasty via Ebla with (4th-)6th dynasty places Akkadian dynasty somwehere between Joseph/3rd dynasty/c1800s and Moses/12th dynasty/c1400s. [Though LA Waddell reckoned that Akkadian synchronised with 1st dynasty (which although it seems not so there are still some puzzling connections).] (However that probably doesn't answer the question but confuses it since you probably not asking when it really was but when it was in relation to the general Mesopotamian (& ancient world) scheme.) One important way to date the Akkadian itself is by the Nabonidus/Naramsin date (and by the "2 suns" event on Naramsin stele). My decryption of the Nabonidus/Naramsin date confirms that Akkadian falls between Joseph & Moses.

Not sure about when alusharshid was though without knowing more about the king or inscription or city or dynasty or source.
Alusharshid isn't perhaps related to sinkashid (but which is after Akkad dynasty, ca Isin-Larsa)?
I've just done quick brief look-up of Alusharshid and it says = Uru-mu-mush/Urumush which on one hand seems could possibly be the Akkad dyn king Rimush, but on other hand source/s say/s is a city king of the east area sometime earlier than Akkad dynasty
Ur '0'/1 dyn had similarities with Old Kingdom?

Sharrukin's entire corpus of Babylonian kings would be very interesting to see.

(I can't post any much on net/web anymore but make this a last exception.)


ps yes some have thought parsashum or bara'se as relating to Persia but i don't know if this is possible, though it is tempting to see Elam & Bara'se as Elam & Bharat/Parthia/Persia/Badakshan.



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 12-May-2013 at 01:50

Thats good that it was Rimush. If it wasn't Rimush the only other candidate I found is the last king of Kish 2 dyn.
There is just no way that Akkad dyn can date to 23rd cent bc (unless Waddell was right in corresponding it with 1st dyn of Egypt).
The 1800s cent date for Babylon 1 dyn (which may synchronise with 13th dyn of Egypt) is also certainly too early. I will have to re/familiarise myself with the eclipse but I am sure that it can not be right. The sucessive king years and Venus tablets and carbon dating are not reliable.
Semiramis 1 was Hammurabi (or Shamshiadad 1).
From my research the Old Assyrian/Tilshanim period possibly matches Cushan-rishathaim time.

I agree Alusharshid is Rimush. But re the last king of Kish it can be read lugalngu or lugal-mu. Alusharshid is uru-mush or uru-mu-mush.
I know, I agree with you about Akkad/1st dyn not being so, I was just mentioning it because there are still some strange similarities.
As to what is reliable too complicated to answer, but somethings are reliable, some arent, and some are in between.
Yes Hammurabi and Shamsiadad are different people, I didn't mean they weren't, but Semiramis is certainly Hammurabi (or else is Shamshiadad) not a different person.
Oh here is my evidence then (from my Iraq history article/notes) :


"Could Semiramis/S(h)ammu-ramat 1 (of Dio Sic, Herodotus, Ctesias, Josephus, Berosus, etc) be (C)hammu-rabi/Khammu Rabi/Khammuragas (of )? (I have seen a source that reckons Berosus mentioned both Semiramis and Hammurabi though.) Some similarities include:
->Semiramis 1: described as “king”/“wore a garment that did not show whether she was man or woman”, Babylon/Assyria/Chaldea queen, 42yrs (or 55yrs Belus), wife of Ninus son of Belus, conquered whole middle eastern world/invaded Kush & India/military campaign against Medes & Chaldeans, founded/(re-)built Babylon/Hanging Gardens/embankments/walls/many cities, daughter of Syrianess, Ninus demanded Semiramis from Menones, “woman of palace of Shamsi-adad”, of Mede mtns (nth), plants/flowers/trees, Nineveh, Ishtar, [shepherd Simmos, abandoned as child,] Shammuramat-Su, etc.
->Hammurabi: toga like robe, Babylon king, 42yrs or 55 yrs, associated with date of Belus, a victorious general/warrior, great builder of cities/irrigation systems/temples/fortifications, Amorite/W Semit/from Syria, demanded return of statues taken by Khedorlaomer, conquered Shamsi-adad's dyn, Kassite from Elam mtns, lotus, Nineveh temple of Ishtar, [shepherd of his people, Shamash, trial by water/Moses,] Nahar-Khammurabi, etc.
 A list of Hammurabi's ancestors has some same names as early kings of Assyrian king list.
Queen Homai of Persian may be same as Semiramis/Hammurabi?
Homai (32 yrs) successor of Ardshir similar to Hammurabi (42 yrs) after Waradsin &/or Rim-sin/Eri-aku?"


(The relevance to this topic/thread is that it is one way of dating the Babylon 1 dynasty, other than the other mentioned attempted ways.)