Zionism: racist ideology

Originally posted by unclefred I suppose there is a reason why the banned members from other forums are collecting here.

 

Originally posted by unclefred This is one of the most brazen anti-semite positions I've ever seen posted on a forum by a moderator.  Why is the UK so full of such anti-semite nonsense? is it guilt over their colonial past? Are racist threads such as this encouraged on this forum? Shameful.

Edited by Toltec - 26-Nov-2012 at 19:35

Unclefred, if this thread does descend into racism, antisemitism, Islamism, Holocaust denial, Islamophobia, or any other type of hate speech, rest assured that i will lock it personally and recommend the other moderators punish the troublemakers involved (whether they are pro-Israel or pro-Palestine). Antisemitism is more complex than calling for the death of the Jews: it could also be interpreted as demanding the killing of Arabs. None of us here advocate violence or oppose Israel's existence, but in my view there are legitimate grounds to criticise Israel's conduct towards the Palestinians who are, after all, kin to both Jews and other Arabs

Edited by Nick1986 - 26-Nov-2012 at 12:44

You're wrong Unclefred. The Arabs and Palestinians are also Semites (descendents of Ismail and Isaac respectively) who have endured years of discrimination at the hands of the Israelis who cry "antisemitism" whenever anyone dares to criticise them. There's nothing racist or antisemitic about it: Israel is in the wrong here, and while i'm willing to accept their right to have a state, we can's sit by and tolerate their illegal occupation of land the UN set aside for Palestinians. I don't advocate violence from anyone, but the fact is the Muslim world is angry because Israel walks all over the Palestinians with impunity

Originally posted by red clay Originally posted by Nick1986 Originally posted by Rocky I agree with you that the Zionists carried out terror attacks during the time that the British were in charge of Palestine. I would also admit that the original seizure of Palestinian land would probably be called ethnic cleansing today. Nothing about today's situation reminds me of Nazi Germany. The Israelis are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation now. They are surrounded by enemies, and they are under attack from within. As an American, I somehow matured into a very pro-Israel position, I am not sure exactly why. I do support the Israelis, I think they are in between a rock and a hard place. Just because ethnic cleansing hasn't yet happened on a large scale doesn't mean it's not serious: settlers often murder Palestinians without provocation and seize land they have no right to own. Palestinians are assaulted in the street, homes are demolished, and families are walled up in a concrete ghetto. The Israelis only have enemies because they oppress the Palestinians and respond disproportionately to provocations by an angry and desperate people (like the blacks in Apartheid-era South Africa). The missile defence might provide a short-term solution, but there will only be peace when the Palestinians are given land of their own. Even an independent Palestinian state in Gaza is better than nothing     Nick, I'm surprised.  Your knowledge of the history of the area should tell you  that the only thing that would bring peace is the destruction of Israel.  I don't believe that Hamas or Hezbollah give a monkey's nose about the Palestinians.  They use them as an excuse as it gives them some credibility, and an excuse for being there.  They are still Islamic fundy extremists, and as such the destruction of Israel is their only goal. The Israelis have enemies because they are Jews, simple as that. A thousand years of history doesn't change because there is a Jewish state.   Any idea that a Palestinian State would change anything is naive at best.

Sorry Red, but i disagree. The Israelis are no longer defending themselves from Arab invasion, but attacking the few remaining refugees. Their response to the Islamists is grossly disproportionate and will do nothing but alienate the rest of the world. A Palestinian state would remove much of the legitimacy Islamists like Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda currently enjoy and improve relations between the Zionists and moderate Arab governments (most of whom now accept Israel's existence)

Originally posted by balochii True, but which religion isn't racist and believes in superiority to others?

Real racists are those Arabs who claim the ancient land of Jews, I hope people can understand that that those are Arabs who talk about their blood and race but they are Jews who talk about their culture, it doesn't matter they are black or white, those who have preserved the Jewish culture are Jew.

Originally posted by Nick1986 Originally posted by Rocky I agree with you that the Zionists carried out terror attacks during the time that the British were in charge of Palestine. I would also admit that the original seizure of Palestinian land would probably be called ethnic cleansing today. Nothing about today's situation reminds me of Nazi Germany. The Israelis are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation now. They are surrounded by enemies, and they are under attack from within. As an American, I somehow matured into a very pro-Israel position, I am not sure exactly why. I do support the Israelis, I think they are in between a rock and a hard place. Just because ethnic cleansing hasn't yet happened on a large scale doesn't mean it's not serious: settlers often murder Palestinians without provocation and seize land they have no right to own. Palestinians are assaulted in the street, homes are demolished, and families are walled up in a concrete ghetto. The Israelis only have enemies because they oppress the Palestinians and respond disproportionately to provocations by an angry and desperate people (like the blacks in Apartheid-era South Africa). The missile defence might provide a short-term solution, but there will only be peace when the Palestinians are given land of their own. Even an independent Palestinian state in Gaza is better than nothing

 

Originally posted by Rocky I agree with you that the Zionists carried out terror attacks during the time that the British were in charge of Palestine. I would also admit that the original seizure of Palestinian land would probably be called ethnic cleansing today. Nothing about today's situation reminds me of Nazi Germany. The Israelis are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation now. They are surrounded by enemies, and they are under attack from within. As an American, I somehow matured into a very pro-Israel position, I am not sure exactly why. I do support the Israelis, I think they are in between a rock and a hard place.

Just because ethnic cleansing hasn't yet happened on a large scale doesn't mean it's not serious: settlers often murder Palestinians without provocation and seize land they have no right to own. Palestinians are assaulted in the street, homes are demolished, and families are walled up in a concrete ghetto. The Israelis only have enemies because they oppress the Palestinians and respond disproportionately to provocations by an angry and desperate people (like the blacks in Apartheid-era South Africa). The missile defence might provide a short-term solution, but there will only be peace when the Palestinians are given land of their own. Even an independent Palestinian state in Gaza is better than nothing

The Irgun terrorists were founded in 1937 and committed many atrocities against Palestinians, most notably the King David Hotel bombing. Due to their success, is it surprising Palestinian insurgents use similar tactics?
http://middleeast.about.com/od/arabisraeliconflict/f/me090412a.htm