Zionism: racist ideology

Originally posted by Rocky Originally posted by Toltec Originally posted by Rocky . I have supported them historically with my tax dollars, although the current US regime seems to grow more and more anti-Israel every day. Obama just gave Israel 30 Billion Dollars of the US defence budget. I wouldn't call that supporting Israel less.  Also to be clear, that's 30 billion of the defence budget, not aid, not additional money, 30 billion taken away from the US defence budget, cuts made in the US military and the money given to Israel instead.    Your tax dollars are still supporting Israel.  I have seen Obama snub Bibi Netanyahu, even though our other presidents of the last few decades would not have done so, except for Jimmy Carter. I do not deny that there is still support, I only argue that there is less support, and that I feel that the current administration has sympathies that are not pro-Israel, but pro-Muslim instead. I realize that my support of Israel probably seems quite arbitrary to you considering that I am not Jewish. I feel the same way about your support for the Palestinians, as in what is the motivation. It is not about human rights on either side of the argument. We have two mortal enemies, locked in a struggle that existed before we were born, and will most likely last long after you and I have passed on.

Edited by Toltec - 28-Nov-2012 at 21:29

Originally posted by Rocky . I have supported them historically with my tax dollars, although the current US regime seems to grow more and more anti-Israel every day.

Edited by Toltec - 28-Nov-2012 at 20:26

Originally posted by Toltec Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Where is he from? Oh ya...Euro-land.  In this case Britain. Actually he's from, not-america, a place where everyone thinks like him. and as you say a mouthpiece for his 6.5 billion like minded devotees.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 28-Nov-2012 at 17:36

So? He only impresses like minded and or his devotee's. Yawn......I already know what he remains. A mouth piece for disaffected-anti IG policies-Islamist, terrorist, apologists. An obvious overt supporter of Hamas. Where is he from? Oh ya...Euro-land.  In this case Britain.

Originally posted by Nick1986 Originally posted by Challenger2 [QUOTE=Nick1986]"Nazi" might be taking it a bit too far Toltec. Modern Israel is more like Apartheid-era South Africa or pre-war Russia with its ghettos and pogroms against the Palestinians Don't remember the Russians or the South Africans using artillery and aircraft against Jews and Blacks, do you? [/QUOTE They probably would if the Jews and blacks ever tried to defend themselves on a large scale (in contrast to Mandela nonviolence). Remember what the Russians did to the Poles when they rose up in the early 19th century?

Originally posted by Nick1986 "Nazi" might be taking it a bit too far Toltec. Modern Israel is more like Apartheid-era South Africa or pre-war Russia with its ghettos and pogroms against the Palestinians

Don't remember the Russians or the South Africans using artillery and aircraft against Jews and Blacks, do you?

"Nazi" might be taking it a bit too far Toltec. Modern Israel is more like Apartheid-era South Africa or pre-war Russia with its ghettos and pogroms against the Palestinians

That New York times article isn't such a parody. The Conservative Party's staunchest supporting newspaper the Daily Mail did indeed support Hitler, Moseley and campaigned for the fascists. So a conservative newspaper did those above headlines for real.

Don't matter to me so much what anyone's political bent might be. I've crucified em all from the far right to the far left on occasion. Conservative to moderate to liberal. Republicans-Democrats-Socialists-Communists-Fascists. If I have seen ''stupid is as stupid does'', then political sub persuasion be damned..I love smacking em. And I particularly find the liberal, leftist, social justice minded, in American politics; delusional and or deluded. And enjoy intellectually bashing the shitt right out of em.  I detest their ideas and attacks on faith based traditions and their support and propagation of abortion and attacks on traditional marriage. That's me. Other's are entitled to a difference.What I am or believe in is no one else's business. But. You wanna label me? Then I am somewhere left of the far right and right of the far left on innumerable issues. Depends on the issue. Now figure that out eh..... Hell I don't even know 1/2 the time. And no that aint a damn moderate. Moderates are just pansy ass weaklings generally to cowardly to take a stand on what they really believe. But not state...to be PC.

Originally posted by Nick1986 Uncle Fred, if this thread does descend into racism, antisemitism, Islamism, Holocaust denial, Islamophobia, or any other type of hate speech, rest assured that i will lock it personally and recommend the other moderators punish the troublemakers involved (whether they are pro-Israel or pro-Palestine). Antisemitism is more complex than calling for the death of the Jews: it could also be interpreted as demanding the killing of Arabs. None of us here advocate violence or oppose Israel's existence, but in my view there are legitimate grounds to criticise Israel's conduct towards the Palestinians who are, after all, kin to both Jews and other Arabs

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 27-Nov-2012 at 16:34