Zionism: racist ideology

Originally posted by Red Clay ....I strongly support "common sense".  That includes shooting back when someone, without any overt provocation, starts lobbing rockets into someone elses sovereign territory. I have a difficult time accepting the idea that the average Israeli does not support defending their country against this type of planned agression.

I find this post quite bizarre, firstly because there’s no such thing as “common sense”; the phrase implies that if you agree with me then you obviously have common sense, and if you don't then you're an (insert suitable pejorative here)! Secondly, the use of the phrase “overt provocation”, am I to understand that it’s okay if the provocation was “covert”?

Covert provocation is a tactic used by the Zionists from the 1920’s to the present day. they would choose a target, be it a Palestinian village or an individual Palestinian notable; a small group of armed individuals would stage a clandestine attack, shooting up the village or assassinating the individual and normally this tended to go unremarked and unreported to the authorities. This tactic relied on the fact that the local “hotheads” amongst the Palestinian victims could almost always be relied upon to vent their outrage by staging a retaliatory attack against some opportune and unconnected Zionist target.

However in such an instance a Zionist fuelled media circus of mock outrage against this “unprovoked attack” on “innocent Jews” would demand “retaliation”. The “retaliation” when it came was usually massive and disproportionate, designed to kill or terrify the maximum number of Palestinians. This tactic was and is incredibly effective, because if the first clandestine Zionist provocation fails, all they have to do is repeat the process until they get the desired response to justify their “retaliation”. The files of the Palestine Police and 6th Airborne Division are full of such incidents from the 1930’s until 1948.

In the latest example in 2012, the Zionist bombardment of the Gaza Ghetto, this was set off by the IDF murders of two innocent Palestinians. When Hamas failed to respond in the desired manner after the first murder, the IDF tried again, and stepped up the ante by attacking the funeral of the second murder victim. When Hamas’ representative tried to arrange a ceasfire, the Zionists murdered him as well and all hell broke loose.

I echo your comment; I too have a difficult time accepting the idea that the average Palestinian does not support defending their country against this type of planned aggression.     

Originally posted by Red Clay I also believe that trying to put jews into the same catagory as the Nazis, is spitting on the memory of 6 million people.

For my part, I’m constantly astonished that those who invoke “the Holocaust” focus on just 6 million victims out of the total 17 million Holocaust dead; it’s like spitting on the memory of the 11 million non-Jews systematically murdered by the Nazis as if their murders are somehow diminished by not having been Jewish.

I’m further astonished that those who survived the experience and those who claim centuries of persecution should perpetrate the same atrocities on a people that had nothing to do with the Nazis. Throughout 1948 and 1949, the Zionists established five concentration and forced labour camps at Jalil, Atlit, Sarafand, Tel-Litwinski and at Umm Khalid, where thousands of Palestinians were routinely and systematically tortured, brutalised and often murdered, fed starvation rations and forced to do hard labour. 11 Daniel Street in Haifa was a notorious interrogation centre on a par with 25 Szucha Avenue, or 8 Prinz Albrecht Strasse, where torture and brutality were the norm. Sound familiar to anyone?

Your President Truman summed up the situation quite well on 21st July 1947, “The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs, or Greeks get murdered, or mistreated as Displaced Persons, as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political, neither Hitler nor Stalin, has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment of the underdog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labour, Mormon, Baptist, he goes haywire.”

Or from the mouths of the Zionists themselves,

“We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” Chaim Weitzmann, 1920
“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” Maurice Samuels, 1924
““We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, 1976
     
 

Edited by Challenger2 - 03-Dec-2012 at 08:01

Originally posted by red clay CV wrote-   But back to the topic...the sad truth is, 65 years ago the Arabs had an opportunity for a two state solution. Alas their bigotry, hatred and animosity directed towards all thing Jewish and an equally independent Jewish state within the region condemned them.     It should also be mentioned that during WWII, the Arabs allied themselves with the Nazis.

It was an alliance of convenience. The IRA were also very pro-Nazi at this time. After the war they became more socialist in the hope of gaining Russian support

CV wrote-

The UN exists to mediate disputes like this so war might be prevented. If they come to the decision Palestine is an independent state, the USA and Israel should accept it rather than ignore international law

I wont even try as your more screwed then I am.....

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 30-Nov-2012 at 19:37

Originally posted by red clay Originally posted by Challenger2 Originally posted by Rocky Originally posted by red clay Originally posted by uncle fred I suppose there is a reason why the banned members from other forums are collecting here.      Perhaps it's because we allow more freedom of expression here than other forums.   I responded to Nick's post in much the same attitude as it was written.  An opposing view, not need. a popular one, but valid.   If I had perceived racism I would have stepped on it then.   And it's not surprising that an American far right winger needs an update on freedom of speech.  It's okay as long as it agrees with their deluded ideologies, but otherwise..........     Anyone who has been here over a period of time knows my stand on Racism, and anyone with half a brain who had read the entire thread would have known it wasn't racist.  Unless they just wanted to stir up trouble where there wasn't any. Historum must be quiet right now or something.       As an American conservative, a Libertarian in fact, I grow weary of the far right label. I am liberal on certain issues, in a classical sense, but I am economically conservative, and I strongly support Israel. Calling conservatives "extremists" and "racists" are other effective tools used by the main stream media in the US. Maybe that is why I feel a bond with Israel, as I have seen our media turn on them in recent years. I saw a funny cartoon on American Thinker a couple of days ago, a fake newspaper from 1943. Well, it would be funny I guess if the subject matter were not so dark. I will try to post it, but this is my first picture post to AE, so I am not sure it will work. Yes, it's a funny parody but if you replace all references to "Jew" and "Jews" with "Palestinians" and "Muslims" and "Germans" and "Nazis" With "Israelis" and "Zionists" you get a chillingly accurate portrayal of what's really going on in Gaza and the Occupied Territories.       No more weary than I am of seeing the right trying to turn the term" liberal" into a dirty word. The "mainstream media" if in fact something like that still exists, has no corner on labels, right wing propaganda outlets such as Faux News, use terms such as "lib lefty" and others.   I strongly support "common sense".  That includes shooting back when someone, without any overt provocation, starts lobbing rockets into someone else's sovereign territory. I have a difficult time accepting the idea that the average Israeli does not support defending their country against this type of planned aggression.   I also believe that trying to put jews into the same category as the Nazis, is spitting on the memory of 6 million people.

Also, any data from the UN is highly suspect.  The UN has been functioning as an "old boys network" for unemployed Islamic diplomats for years.  The UN served as a distribution center for Sadam's Oil vouchers, strategic "gifts".  Regardless of the fact that the US is the single largest contributor to the UN, it's not very friendly toward the US or it's allies. 

Originally posted by Nick1986 The British government is considering recognising Palestine as a legitimate state. Better late than never http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/27/uk-ready-to-back-palestine-statehood

It's funny how the Palestinians have to jump through "precondition" hoops to get basically nothing substantial, while the Zionist colonists get billions of dollars for committing crimes against humanity and ignoring international law. Still, according to the lastest U.N. vote there are now only 8 countries in the world that actually support the Zionist colony. Perhaps, with any luck the Zionist experiment will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Originally posted by Toltec I did say 'claim' with the definition of 'claim' being gone into above. Claiming and actually doing so are very different.

Fair point. The fact that some neo-nazi and groups have "attached" themselves to the Palestinian cause just to promote their anti-semitic agenda, has damaged the Palestinian case in the world arena

I did say 'claim' with the definition of 'claim' being gone into above. Claiming and actually doing so are very different.