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    Posted: 14-Sep-2012 at 09:48
Each Greek city was independent. Persia ruled Turkey and the Greek cities their. The distance was nelegible. Someone above mentioned Sparta not Athens was the target. Both that invincible army and navy were in fact and deed CRUSHED and they never had a permanent hold on Greece. It was pretty bad they couldn't take such a fractired region as Greece! Cyrus the BEST Persian general had his army crushed and SLAUGHTERED by Scythians.
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After the Xerxes' conquest of Greece, however it was allowed by the Persians that some Greek city-states kept their independence but the later events, like the Peace of Antalcidas, show that the Persian king was always recognized as a superior leader by Greeks, in fact the Persian empire was an undeniable superpower, especially in the sixth and fifth century BC, the Persian army was so powerful which could easily capture everywhere that the Persian king wanted.
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When did Xerxes conquer Greece....
Obviously you haven't studied the fact that Persia LOST. The Greco-Persian Wars. That treaty recognized the fact that the Persians payrolled the Spartans. Face the facts Persia lost the war to a bunch of fracticious city states.
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The peace was negotiated by Callias, an Athenian politician. Persia had continually lost territory to the Greeks after the end of Xerxes I's invasion in 479 BC, and by 450 they were ready to make peace. The Peace of Callias gave autonomy to the Ionian states in Asia Minor, prohibited the establishment of Persian satrapies elsewhere on the Aegean coast, and prohibited Persian ships from the Aegean. Athens also agreed not to interfere with Persia's possessions in Asia Minor, Cyprus, Libya or Egypt (Athens had recently lost a fleet aiding an Egyptian revolt against Persia).


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Callias
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Persian_Wars

Persia lost Thrace, Macedon, And Ionia as a result of the Greco-Persian wars. It also specifies a clear Greek victory as Persia lost alot of territory.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2012 at 12:54
Xerxes didn't conquer Greece but completed the conquest of Greece, most of Greek lands, such as Ionia, Macedonia, Caria, ... had been conquered by Darius the Great, as you probably know there was a large number of Greek soldiers in the Xerxes' army, it is good to read it: THE ORGANIZATION OF XERXES' ARMY
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Reference above.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Persian_Wars

Persia lost Thrace, Macedon, And Ionia as a result of the Greco-Persian wars. It also specifies a clear Greek victory as Persia lost alot of territory.
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Reference above.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Persian_Wars

Persia lost Thrace, Macedon, And Ionia as a result of the Greco-Persian wars. It also specifies a clear Greek victory as Persia lost alot of territory.
 
Where did you read that thing from the above link?!! This is the exact quote:
 
The Persians then counterattacked, and the Athenian force was itself besieged for 18 months, before being wiped out.[181] This disaster, coupled with ongoing warfare in Greece, dissuaded the Athenians from resuming conflict with Persia.[182]
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Persian_Wars#section_3

However, while seeking to destroy the combined Greek fleet, the Persians suffered a severe defeat at the Battle of Salamis. The following year, the confederated Greeks went on the offensive, defeating the Persian army at the Battle of Plataea, and ending the invasion of Greece.
The allied Greeks followed up their success by destroying the rest of the Persian fleet at the Battle of Mycale, before expelling Persian garrisons from Sestos (479 BC) and Byzantium (478 BC). The actions of the general Pausanias at the siege of Byzantium alienated many of the Greek states from the Spartans, and the anti-Persian alliance was therefore reconstituted around Athenian leadership, as the so-called Delian League. The Delian League continued to campaign against Persia for the next three decades, beginning with the expulsion of the remaining Persian garrisons from Europe. At the Battle of the Eurymedon in 466 BC, the League won a double victory that finally secured freedom for the cities of Ionia.
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 00:26
Funny how the article states the war was a Greek victory with the freedom of Macedonia, Thrace and Ionia....
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 00:30
This is the treaty that ended the war.



The peace was negotiated by Callias, an Athenian politician. Persia had continually lost territory to the Greeks after the end of Xerxes I's invasion in 479 BC, and by 450 they were ready to make peace. The Peace of Callias gave autonomy to the Ionian states in Asia Minor, prohibited the establishment of Persian satrapies elsewhere on the Aegean coast, and prohibited Persian ships from the Aegean. Athens also agreed not to interfere with Persia's possessions in Asia Minor, Cyprus, Libya or Egypt (Athens had recently lost a fleet aiding an Egyptian revolt against Persia).

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/479_BC
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 02:52
It is funny that you read what you want, about the peace of Callias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Callias -> The ancient historian Theopompus deemed it a fabrication arguing that the inscription of the treaty was a fake – the lettering used hadn't come into practice until half a century after the treaty was purporting to have been agreed. It is possible that the treaty never officially existed, and if did exist, its importance is disputed. Thucydides did not mention it, however Herodotus[2] does, as does Plutarch, who thought it had either been signed after the Battle of the Eurymedon in 466 BC, or that it had never been signed at all.
 
Anyway later events, like the Peace of Antalcidas, show that those lands still belonged to the Persian until the fall of the Persian empire.
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 08:22
Thats laughable. So Alaexanders kingdom still belonged to Persia when he invaded it? You really are a fanboy aren't you? Grow up. Persia lost the war, the Greeks won. There is not a single sorce that says otherwise. Why deny it? You're worse than the Nazi revisionists who say the Holocaust never happened. Grow up and admit it.
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 08:25
If site administrators do this here I'm wasting my time at this site. You obviously like trying to distort facts. The fact is Persia lost the Macedonia kingdom, Thrace, and most of the Greek cities in Asia Minor. The Greeks kept all their territory in the end.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 11:44
Delenda est Roma, I think you are too young for these types of discussions, you need to read more and admit historical facts with no bias, as I said above, the Peace of Antalcidas shows that in 387 BC, those lands certainly belonged to the Persian empire and nothing was changed until the fall of this empire, if you have any evidence which disproves this historical fact, show us, otherwise please admit it.
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 12:31
I have you refuse to acknowledge it. You need to grow out of your bias. Persia lost I have provided evidence you have in fact failed to provide any sources proving otherwise. In wffect you are a zealot for a long dead civilization. Read a book or two Persia lost. DEAL WITH IT.
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 12:36
YOU are talking about a totally different war. This treaty wa concluded much later and did in fact give back Ionia to Persia. However Macedonia and Thrace former Persian vassals were free. So in effect they lost thr first war but Persia later reclaimed SOME of the lost territory,
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 16:29
I really don't know what you want to prove, in the first page of this thread I admitted that Persians also lost a few battles, they were not superhuman and they didn't conquer the whole world, but from a small region in the southwest of modern Iran, they could defeat several different armies in three continents and built the largest empire that the world had ever seen. For example as Darius the Great himself says:
 
Darius the King says: This is what I did by the favor of Ahuramazda in one and the same year after that I became king. 19 battles I fought; by the favor of Ahuramazda I smote them and took prisoner 9 kings.
 
 
At the same time Persian armies were fighting near the borders of China, Ethiopia and Romania, I never say they were always victorious but this vast dominion of the Persian empire shows that the Persian army was certainly one of the most powerful armies in the world history.
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 16:33
The borders of China is false through and through as they never made it to India much less China. They also never made it to Ethiopia Egypt and MABYE Northern Sudan. Still waiting for a source they defeated a Scythian or Indian army. So you admit they did in fact lose Thrace and Macedonia in the Greco-Persian wars?
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2012 at 01:10
Denying the historical facts has no benefit for you, as I said the most reliable source is the ancient Persian inscription with no change from the same date these things happened, the name of "Ethiopia" can be found as part of the Persian empire in the inscriptions of Darius the Great, Xerxes and Artaxerxes II at Persepolis, Naqsh-i-Rustam and Susa, of course ancient Ethiopia was certainly larger than modern Ethiopia.
 
If you look at the map Achaemenid empire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Achaemenid_Empire_559_-_330_(BC).GIF then you will see that about one half of ancient India (modern Pakistan), western part of modern China, some parts of modern Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, ... also belonged to the Persian empire.
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