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Topic: 10 Strongest Nations! Posted: 11-May-2005 at 18:31 |
Originally posted by Jina
t="on">lace wt="on">Japanlace> They dont really have a military
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t="on">lace wt="on">Canadalace> they buy 50 year old decommissioned subs from other countries.. Jesus f**k..
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t="on">Sweden, t="on">Norway, t="on">lace wt="on">Netherlandslace> OMFG where you getting this
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list is pathetic and totally moronic, and the spending amount is off,
US is first and Russia is second and then comes China in the top 10
along with India.
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http://www.cdi.org/issues/wme/spendersfy04.html this one has the most accurate amount I can find and this one http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm
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Posted: 07-May-2005 at 04:31 |
I think those maps are based on the information from the factbook of the CIA, in which they don't provide any thing about the military expense of Russia, that's why we don't have Russia on the list.
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Posted: 06-May-2005 at 15:32 |
Originally posted by Jina
Care to explain what you mean then? |
Just that it's been posted a few times the map is not about military power. Some other things must've been considered.
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Posted: 06-May-2005 at 15:09 |
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
One would think it would be quite apparently by now that the map is not about MILITARY power... | Care to explain what you mean then?
Power normally equates to military strength... so you might want to change the threads title or something and explain what exactly you are talking about.
Ohh with Japan, they maybe have a powerful defensive capabilities but not offensive and they really can't initiate any offensive operations without going against their constitution and they even had a constitutional amendment when they sent their troops to Iraq for civil purposes.
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Posted: 06-May-2005 at 04:45 |
- the russian
- the german
- the english
- the persian
- the arab
- the chineese
- the japaneese
- the mongol
- the indian
- the turks
this nations is the most powerfull nations in all history offcourse ther are another nations that had power
not:the americans are not a nation they people from outside america from europe&africa masscared the american native and dominain the land they are not anation they groups of murders and gangs migrated from outside
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Styrbiorn
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Posted: 06-May-2005 at 04:04 |
Originally posted by Jina
<P =MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-comfficemarttags" /st1:country-region wt="on"st1lace wt="on">Japan</st1lace/st1:country-region> They dont really have a military
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<P =MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><st1:country-region wt="on"st1lace wt="on">Canada</st1lace/st1:country-region> they buy 50 year old decommissioned subs from other countries.. Jesus f**k..
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<P =MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><st1:country-region wt="on">Sweden</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region wt="on">Norway</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region wt="on"st1lace wt="on">Netherlands</st1lace/st1:country-region> OMFG where you getting this
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<P =MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>This list is pathetic and totally moronic, and the spending amount is off, US is first and Russia is second and then comes China in the top 10 along with India.
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<P =MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=#800080 size=2>http://www.cdi.org/issues/wme/spendersfy04.html<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2> this one has the most accurate amount I can find and this one <FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=#800080 size=2>http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spend ing.htm<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>
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One would think it would be quite apparently by now that the map is not about MILITARY power...
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Posted: 06-May-2005 at 00:04 |
t="on">lace wt="on">Japanlace> They dont really have a military |
They do, its just not called a 'military' but a 'defence force'. They
navy is relativly large, and they are not a military weak nation,
renember, their constutition traditionaly limits them to 1% of GDP on
military spending, but that is 1% of the world's second biigest economy.
Japan IS pretty tough on the military front, its just not an offensive military.
This post isn't even worth replying *stops typing* |
Agreed, but hey, it does wonders for one's post count
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 23:52 |
Originally posted by Vamun Tianshu
India is actually a relatively poor country
with so many people,its hard to support them all with that little
land,roughly 1/3 the size of the US.Besides,Hindu is 80% of India's
religion,meaning that religion is more strongly intervened in people's
lives than India's government,at least what sources say,I guess we need
a real Indian to tell us that.
China should be second,its military is becoming vast and strong,and
economically,its getting stronger despite communism,but the Soviet
Union was communist and still it became a world power.The UK,I think is
more stronger than Germany,but equal to France.Japan,though not
militarilly strong,is economically strong. |
This post isn't even worth replying *stops typing*
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 20:58 |
Both of those sites seem to be accurate, Jina, but I must say that I don't think Russia is as strong as people seem to believe. Yeah they may have the history of being powerful but look at the country in general; they live in poverty, their govenment is corrupt, and everything about Putin and the main chunk of the Russian governement is very shady. If they were any huge wars it would bring about the end to them. And it will be even worse if Putin continues the path he is on.
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 19:40 |
Japan They dont really have a military
Canada they buy 50 year old decommissioned subs from other countries.. Jesus f**k..
Sweden, Norway, Netherlands OMFG where you getting this
This list is pathetic and totally moronic, and the spending amount is off, US is first and Russia is second and then comes China in the top 10 along with India.
http://www.cdi.org/issues/wme/spendersfy04.html this one has the most accurate amount I can find and this one http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 08:58 |
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 08:54 |
The name of the game in the EU is compromize and patience.
In this case it means that the constitution will happen, just if some countries reject it, it will have to be redrawn for ammendments and postponed.
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 06:52 |
ow when European constitution soon will be fact |
Which won't happen.
In France and the Netherlands (and I think also in the UK and Sweden)
the majority opposes the European constitution. All EU countries have
to agree in order to get it in effect.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 14:05 |
Without Bulgaria at any of the maps!
We will crush you, tread you, squeeze you and ask for more!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously for me the countries are: USA, EU, Russia, China in this order! USA, Russia and China don't need explanation. As for EU I don't think that any of the members of the union if eventually be threaten by other outside object, wouldn't recieve help of other members. Now when European constitution soon will be fact I think that you must look at EU as new country! Maybe EU is even before USA
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 12:47 |
Hmm, I think this stems from a news magazine. American, I think. Newsweek, probably. I saw this map before on a magazine handout on a friends' wall. Not recent. Few years back.
The magazine rated the countries according to a number of factors including economy (I think they looked to per capita income in dollars!) and international prestige (so the map explained). Because of that Norway and Sweden rate high and Russia isn't there.
In reality, even though they are the most developed country on the planet according to the UN human development index, I don't think anyone takes Norway seriously. Bad list.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 12:00 |
Hmm Russia is missing again, its in the top 5 for sure.
Could it be that the site simply doesn't have information from certain countries?
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 11:10 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
I think this map isnt very clear or doesnt show the truth. I dont think Canada, Sweden nor Norway would be included in such a listbased onmilitary power ranks. So as Great Britain.
And where is Russia, where is Israel (to mje, the most powerful one), where is Iran and where is Turkey if this is based on militarical power? Also India is too powerful and developing too fast. |
That map is definitely not about military power. If you follow the link there's another map covering that.
here, from the same site:
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 11:07 |
I think this map isnt very clear or doesnt show the truth. I dont think Canada, Sweden nor Norway would be included in such a list based on military power ranks. So as Great Britain.
And where is Russia, where is Israel (to mje, the most powerful one), where is Iran and where is Turkey if this is based on militarical power? Also India is too powerful and developing too fast.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 09:21 |
Oh, that bad.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 08:50 |
Originally posted by Cywr
What exactly will they be cutting in half? I think if anything, they'll
just let the old stuff go and keep a more stream lined new force, so
the 200 old viggens go with the 180 Grippens to replace them, and so on.
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http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3155&PN= 1
Basicly everything, the Gripen force will be reduced to 80 (probably by selling the rest to other countries), etc. Most of the cutting will be to the conscription (anti-Russian invasion-)army though, and is supposed to be replaced with a smaller high-tech army to be used internationally. I'm not sure the government knowns what it wants either. Somewhere in the mess that is my apartment I have a copy of the military magazine all ex-soldiers get with some article covering it, but frankly, I have no idea where to start looking for it.
BTW, the only proffessional units now are those of the special forces.
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