Turan Federation

  I've been waiting for that day for as long as I can remember, but I don't see it happening any day soon.  Hopefully in my life time.  What do you think should be done about the language?  Even though most of us can understand one another there's still too many differences to use just one of them for the whole union/nation.  I was thinking to do what India does.  Most states have their own local languages, most totaly different from one another.  At the same time they have a national language which is used to communicate throughout the entire nation.  I think this would be easier in our situation since our dialects are a lot closer to one another than Indias.

What would the flag look like? The Federation wouldn't include Mongol & Tungus people, would it?

Edited by Kuu-ukko

Also there is no Tunguz state for them to join. 
Relaistically i dont see this happening although i think it is very likely for the Central Asian republics to form a federation.  However local dictators might not agree.  Fortunately it seems like they might not last for much longer after the revolution in Kyrgyzstan.
As for the language, i think the central asian republics are close enough for them to understand one another, i cant remember where i read it but i remember Nursultan Nazarbayev the president of Kazakhstan once remarked that the Kazakhs and Uzbeks speak the same language.  Kyrgyz is even closer to Kazakh than Uzbek is.
I think the best solution would be to have a standardised official language for administrative and national issues and regional dialects for regional affairs and for education.

As for Turkey, i think the most realistic Union for her would be one with Azerbaijan.  In an Oguz Union.  Oguzeli.

Well Tatarstan is not an independent state therefore it cant really join a union unless it seceded from the RF.
I think for Tatarstan should look towards forming closer ties with the Turkic regions in the Volga-Ural region.
First of Tatarstan is only a part of the Tatar homeland, it comprises basically the City of Kazan region.  More Tatars live outside of Tatarstan than inside.  Tatars should look towards trying to preserve and enhance their identity outside of Tatarstan in historically tatar lands.

There has been talk of trying to merge some Russian regions and it was proposed that Chuvashia merge with Ulyanovsk region.  However this was opposed by the Chuvash because of fears they may lose alot of their powers as an autonomous republic.  Historically Ulyanovsk was a Chuvash region and the first Chuvash autonomy uncluded it.

I think the 3 Turkic Autonomous Republics should merge.  Bashkortostan, Chuvashia and Tatarstan.
This merger shoudl also include other regions which historically were tatar, Chuvash and Bashkir lands.
20% of Ulyanovsks population are Tatars and Chuvash.
16% of Orenburg (historically Bashkir and Kazakh) population are Tatars Bashkirs, Kazakhs and Chuvash.
8% of Samarans are Tatar and Chuvash and 12% of Chelyabinsk's population are Tatars and Bashkirs.
Although in these Russian regions the Turkic peoples are now a minority, they are large minorities and they are also historically Turkic lands.
Ultimately i think creating an Autonomous Region in the Volga would be the ideal for the Turkic peoples there and a constitution which would inshrine the rights of the indigenous languages would be the best option for them.

 

     It will be a hard and long way to form such a Turkic union.From my point of wiev it wont be possible before 30 -40 years .I think  before politcal and geographical unification an economical and trade pact would be useful.  Economic and culturel ties  will be the catalysor  solving the problems between the Turkic states. Universities and student transfers and the communacition and transportion developments will strenghten the ties.

   Perpahs the seeds of the of the federation can be planted by merging states two by two.For example Turkey and Azerbeijcan can form a federation  while Kazakhistan and Uzbekistan can do the same .After some years Turkmenistan can merge with  1st  and Krygizistan merge the latter.And then  the two feds can merge.This could be a solution

Wrong place for thse posts.

Guys you should speak these in History Role Forum.

I don't think this is a good idea. Why should we in Turkey, an aspiring democracy, form a union with the dictatorships of Central Asia? Only thing we have in common is language. Even the EU is better.

A Turkic Federation is politically impossible anyway. Turanism is nothing but a nationalist wet-dream, and it will stay that way.

federation is diffrent,i know,but it will be helpful

Bakiyev: Turkic World should Come Together

After sending a delegation to Kyrgyzstan following the 'velvet revolution' in March, Turkey has made a new start in bilateral relations and today will be represented in Bishkek at the top-level.

Before Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul's visit, Kyrgyzstan's Temporary President and Prime Minister Kurmanbek Bakiyev told Zaman about the importance of unity and integration of the Turkic world and emphasized that relations between brother countries should be further developed. The Kyrgyz leader noted that they gave huge importance to Gul's visit and he wants to visit Turkey as soon as possible. "Our language, religion and history are one. We need to perpetuate our close ties as brother and friend countries," Bakivey said.

Bakiyev insisted that the "velvet revolution" had no external links and the force behind the "Kyrgyz style" surprise revolution was the "people" so he does not expect a government change on March 24. He pointed out that ousted leader Askar Akayev's immediate evacuation of the country facilitated the revolution. He said that Kyrgyzstan must now make great efforts not to repeat the mistakes of the overthrown government and that the critical presidential elections of July 10 should be held in a just, transparent and democratic atmosphere. Being one of the most powerful two candidates to compete in the presidential race, Bakiyev told Zaman that Kyrgyzstan's unity, prosperity and stability are the priorities.

Bakiyev notes that as a new administration, they give big importance to relations with their neighbors and he fully supports Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev's proposal for a "Commonwealth of Central Asia" within this framework. Unlike Ukraine and Georgia, they had not received financial support from any power or states, Bakiyev went on, saying, "The revolution in Kyrgyzstan was a Kyrgyz style revolution unlike the rose or orange revolutions. The revolution was financed by no one. It was made by the people, who were reacting against the former administration," and referred to the people as the real heroes of the revolution. Noting that they were proud that they had brought freedoms of press and speech to the country after the revolution; however, Bakiyev said they were unhappy about the lootings and are working to ensure stability and peace. The Kyrgyz leader concluded that they had made big steps to overcome the "insecure" atmosphere in the country after the revolution.

05.05.2005
Mustafa Baskurt, Atif Ala
Bishkek
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=19172