Scythians - Mongols, Tartars or .....????

Mongol = Tartar, warfare patterned from Scythian, Scythian from Parthia and probably from the Volga river

No they were not Mongols.  Some Kurds also descend from Scythians and do they look Mongoloid? genetics also show no Mongoloid influence on Kurds as well.

Scythians were Iranic, they had the same origin as the Medes,Parthians,Persians and other Iranic tribes.  Only difference is Scythians moved further north and west and likely mixed with others, but the original Scythians were of Iranic stock and might I add not slavic like some slavs claim.


Edited by Ince - 19-Jan-2012 at 19:42

Many thanks all. My thoughts were the same as Alani Dragon as well, I had chanced on some info that the Scythians had spread both to the east & west as well, ultimately ending up in europe (Saxons & Anglo Saxons). But how accurate this info is I am uncertain.

Again, many thanks guys for the brief.

From an other ancient hungarian source Anonymous' Gesta about scythia.

Sorry for my english, its my translation:

...Scythians are an old tribe, and scythia is a mighty power of the east. First king of Scythia were Magog, where the name Magyar comes from, he was son of Jafet.
Descendant of Magog, the great and mighty king Attila, who at the year 451 left Scythia and invaded pannonia, made the romans to flee in horror, and settled in the country.
Near the river danube, north to the upper hot water springs (pilis mountains) he founded a new capital, he reconstruted the buildings and walls he founded there.

That city is called Budavar (Buda castle), and the germans called it Etzelburg....

But back to scythians. Those tribes were peaceful at the beginning of history, they wandered on the endless steppes, each scythian had only one wife, and they considered themselves rich because they all had enough food and they were free. Much later on Scythians became bored with endless wars, according to sources,they drank human blood, they did terrible things.
They became firm people, no emperor or king could invade them. They made Darius great king of persia to run. 80,000 persians killed in the battle, and the coward Darius himself ran back to persia. They killed Cyrus who was also a persian king together with his 330,000 men. Even Alexander the great (son of king Philip and queen Olympiadis) had to run from the battle against them disgracefully.
Scythians didnt know tiredness, they were huge and brave in battle. They didnt own anything they would miss, thats why they fought so fiercely.
And when they won a battle, they didnt try everything to get the properties of the defeated ones, not like some of their descandants nowadays, they only wished for fame..

Not counting Dareios, Cyrus and Alexander no other one dared to step its feet to the land of Scythia. They were quick on horses, they weared a helmet on their head, and they better used the bow than any other nation on this planet...

Because it (Scythia) lies far from the hot territories (probably deserts) it became overpopulated. Neither food nor place was not enough for its many inhabitants, so the 7 royal families whom we call hetumoger (7 magyar) sit together for a counsel. They decided to find a new home for themselves wich is good to live at.
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Originally posted by PanzerOberst Hello everyone, am a bit in the dark on this matter. I hope somebody can enlighten me on this matter, about who they are & their origins.

Originally posted by PanzerOberst But could they be modern descendants (albeit diluted in blood)of the Scythian people?

Originally posted by kegger The Scythians' language remains unknown and Iranian is merely a guess, mostly influenced by the type of clothing they wore which often resembles that of the Medes and Persians. As for their original home, it was probably somewhere around the Black Sea region. The Hermitage museum in Russia gives a good idea of their appearance and it is that of typical northern and central Europeans. People mistake the modern Slavs as the original phenotype of the Scythians, but that is wrong because the modern Slavs, especially of Russia, now have considerable mongoloid admixture, which wasn't the case 2500 years ago.

Scythian descent might explain the straight black hair and darker skin of many Poles (including my grandad who was often mistaken for a Turk or Spaniard), although it's more likely their ancestors were Jews or Tatars

That's right. Before mixing with the fair-skinned inhabitants of northern Iran, the Scythians were probably Mongoloid like the Huns

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Originally posted by Nick1986 Originally posted by kegger The Scythians' language remains unknown and Iranian is merely a guess, mostly influenced by the type of clothing they wore which often resembles that of the Medes and Persians. As for their original home, it was probably somewhere around the Black Sea region. The Hermitage museum in Russia gives a good idea of their appearance and it is that of typical northern and central Europeans. People mistake the modern Slavs as the original phenotype of the Scythians, but that is wrong because the modern Slavs, especially of Russia, now have considerable mongoloid admixture, which wasn't the case 2500 years ago. Scythian descent might explain the straight black hair and darker skin of many Poles (including my grandad who was often mistaken for a Turk or Spaniard), although it's more likely their ancestors were Jews or Tatars The Cimmerians, the dominant force on the steppe prior to the Scythians, were thought to be black haired.

Is there any credible link between the Cimmerians and the ancient Celts, or is this purely Ron Howard fantasy?