Origins of language!

OK, I read the whole thing and on the last page I found a note that "c" in Sanskrit is to be read as "ch" in "chair"; which means that all words with "c"="ch" we are looking for; I wished they printed that pronunciation guide on the first page, I got my pronunciation from here http://www.omniglot.com/writing/sanskrit.htm, and hence was looking only for "ch". So, I'm going to scroll the whole thing one more time, this time looking for words with "c". Again I'll give here all I find, no matter if you don;t need then right now, because we may need them later and I don't want to read the whole thing again for another syllable with "c".

so, words with "ca"
uva-ca - said
ca- and, also, indeed
va-ca-nam - words
a-ca-rya - teacher
u-ccaia-h - very loudly
ca-iva - also-certainly
ca=and=also is glued to many words to make one word, like "ca-paradjitah"="also-one-who=had-never-been-vanquished"; or "cai-tat" - also this; /"etat" is "this" just like in Rusian/; ca-inan - also-this-soul

ca-pat - the bow
a-ca-lah - immovable
nis-cayah - in certainty
kada-ca-na - at any time
an-vi-ccha - try for
ca-ran acting upon

ca-ratam - while roaming
a-ca-la-pratisham - steadily situated
sa-ma-ca-ra - do perfectly, perform
pa-ca-nti - prepare food
kin-cana - any
cas-ca-na - whatever
sa-mara-can - practicing

vi-caa-layet - should try to agitate
caa-tur-varnyan - the 4 divisions of human society
yad-ccha - out in it's own accord

with "ce"
ce-tasah - their hearts; whose wisdom
ce-tah - in heart
ce-t - if
apahrta-ce-tasam - bewildered in mind
prasanda CE-tasan - of the happily minded
a-ce-tasah - through Krsna consciousness


with "ci"
na kar-ci-t - no one
ka-da-ci-t - in any time, past or present
ci-kisr-savah - wishing
so-ci-tum - to lament
kas-ci-t - someone

nis-chi-tia - ascertaining
ci-kir-shur - desiring to lead
ci-ttatma - mind and intelligence
a-ci-rena - very soon
san-ci-nna - cut

with "cyi" /y pronounces like in "yes"/:
a-cyi-ta - oh, infallible one
u-cy-ate - is said
at-ri-cya-te - becomes more
ava-cya - unkinpra-mu-cyate - is completely liberated
This post became too long, I'll go to another one.



Edited by Don Quixote - 05-Mar-2012 at 17:58

Originally posted by Ollios Is there anybody who can give some examples from any agglutinative language? my example is from my mother tongue:Turkish göz                    _eye göz-lük              _glasses göz-lük-çü         _ a person who sells glasses göz-lük-çü-lük    _name of the job

I think most languages have the ability to make words from other words, I don't think this is exactly agglutinativeness. For example, Bulgarian is not agglutinative per se, but it cam make the same variations from a word like you gave an example here:
oko- eye
ochi--eyes
ochi-la - glasses
ochi-lar - person who makes glasses, or sells glasses
ochi-lat/a/a - person who wears glasses - masc/fem/neuter
ochi-lat-ko - diminutive from "ochilat", usually derisive; like "look at this silly kid with glasses/
ochi-lar-ka - a snake that look like having glasses in her face, I don't know what is it's name in English

Also, Bulgarian forms tenses by adding suffixes and prefixes /like Greek and Latin/, and making diminutives /kushtha-kusthichka-kustica - house-small house-really small house/; but this doesn't mean that Bulgarian, Greek or Latin are agglutinative languages. Instead, Greek, Latin, Russian, Bulgarian etc are called "inflective" or "fusional languages"
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflected_language  For the difference between agglutinative and fusional language one can see this wiki page  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language

Unfortunately all languages I have some knowledge of are fusional, at best, not agglutinative; from the languages I only read about, I can give you as an example Salish languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salishan_languages  here is an online dict you can check it out on  the Kalispel language /which is one of the Salish languages/  http://www.archive.org/stream/adictionarykali00jesugoog#page/n6/mode/2up  ; it's very hard to read, I have to zoom it a big time, but it's the best one on Kalispel that I had found so far online.


Edited by Don Quixote - 05-Mar-2012 at 18:51

Will try Ca words in Sanskrit after school!Bye!

uva-ca - said=Mouth-like slavery announces/calls!
ca- and, also, indeed=Announcement/call!
va-ca-nam - words=Slavering announcement/call offers interior!
a-ca-rya - teacher=Victim-like announcement/call  sprouts  mortality!(ya=ja)
u-ccaia-h - very loudly=Mouth-like voice arrives(Cai?) victim-like arrow!
ca-iva - also-certainly=Coming(Cai?) slavery!
ca=and=also is glued to many words to make one word, like=arrival! "ca-paradjitah"="also-one-who=had-never-been-vanquished"; or "cai-tat" - also this; /"etat" is "this" just like in Rusian/; ca-inan - also-this-soul
CaiTaT=Arriving beauty dreams!
ETaT=Answer-like  beauty  dreams!
CaiNaN=Arriving offer mother's!
"ca-paradjitah"=Announcing heaven arms gift-like plural and beautiful arrow!
 Rest will follow!

Originally posted by medenaywe uva-ca - said=Mouth-like slavery announces/calls! Very fitting - when the words are said, they affect=enslave; and the what is said is a meaning that come from the mouth, so it's "mouthlike"; and the meaning "announces". ca- and, also, indeed=Announcement/call! This explains why so many words in Bhagavat-Gita have "ca" attached to them, it's literally saying "it is announced..."after which the word proper follows. I'll give several examples of that: copapannam /ca+ppannam/ = ca+arrived at - "announced,  arrived at"; this is far more poignant that just "arrived at". caadhipatayam /ca+aadhipatayam/= ca+supremacy = "announced, supreme" - very strong meaning caayuktasya /ca+ayuktasya/= ca+of=one-deviod-of-Krshna-consciousness= "announced, this one is devoid of Krshna consciousness" caparadjitah /ca+paraditah/=announced-one-who-had-never-been-vanquished ca-itat = anounce this carjuna /ca+Arjuna/= "announced Arjuna". That's very good, very emphatic, caMasterofMeanings! va-ca-nam - words=Slavering announcement/call offers interior! "Announcements" of meanings that affect/"enslave", "offered" from one's "interior" - that is exactly what words are. a-ca-rya - teacher=Victim-like announcement/call  sprouts  mortality!(ya=ja) Well, to be a teacher is to sacrifice - working with inmature minds /that constantly think what kind of prank to commit on the teacher, and what to laugh at him/her for/ and not to allow oneself to retaliate - few professions can teach more about self-sacrifice. Teachers teach knowledge that shows everyone their own mortality - hence, sprouting the understanding of mortality= "sprouting mortality". u-ccaia-h - very loudly=Mouth-like voice arrives(Cai?) victim-like arrow! The Indian goddess Kali/Cali, who is an aspect of the mother-Goddess in her destructive capacity - arriving to take victims with her - she is always portrayed with open mouth - consuming lives ca-iva - also-certainly=Coming(Cai?) slavery! Certainty is like slavery - cannot avoid it, and it doesn't depend on you, we are all slaves to the certainty - "coming slavery". CaiTaT=Arriving beauty dreams! - this=arriving dreams of beauty - very beautiful really ETaT=Answer-like  beauty  dreams! Same as above. CaiNaN=Arriving offer mother's! "ca-paradjitah"=Announcing heaven arms gift-like plural and beautiful arrow!"One who had never been vanquished" can really be told to have the gift from heavens, and fly like a beautiful arrow; plural is to make an emphasis.  Rest will follow!

I sure hope so. This is some great work, Master of Meanings, and I'm gratified to see that your syllables work also in Sanskrit - I cannot imagine something more timeless that that.

DZ=S in Sanskrit? From what I see in the page about pronunciation, there are "s" like in the German "sprechen", "sh" like in "shine" and "s" like in "sun"; none of them are like "dz".
Which one do you need?

School calls me!Bye!

Originally posted by Don Quixote

Thanks, it was an information bombardment

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I have another question about "Masculine and Feminine Words"

Which language or language groups have this system?

I think Romance languages and Germanic languages have it, but what else?

vi-caa-layet - should try to agitate=Subordinative announcement sacrifices wing-like mortality and dream.
caa-tur-varnyan - the 4 divisions of human society=Announcing victim noises sprouting slavery and sprout-like mother's  dies  mother's.
yad-ccha - out in it's own accord=Mortal gift voices flame!

with "ce"
ce-tasah - their hearts; whose wisdom=Acceptable beauty presents embedded arrow!
ce-tah - in heart=Acceptable beauty arrows!
ce-t - if=Acceptable dream!
apahrta-ce-tasam - bewildered in mind=Victim-like heaven arrows sprouting beauty and acceptable beauty conquers interior!
prasanda CE-tasan - of the happily minded=Liquid arm conquers mother's agreement!
a-ce-tasah - through Krsna consciousness=Victim-like acceptance beauties embedded arrow!


with "ci"
na kar-ci-t - no one=Offering feature sprouts numerous dream!
ka-da-ci-t - in any time, past or present=Feature-like agreement counts dream!
ci-kisr-savah - wishing=Numerous value presents sprouting soldier and slavery-like arrow!
so-ci-tum - to lament=In House number noises interior!
kas-ci-t - someone=Feature-like presence counts dream!

nis-chi-tia - ascertaining=Courageous cognition proves innocence and/to victim/sacrifices!
ci-kir-shur - desiring to lead=Numerous value sprouts wood-like sprout!
ci-ttatma - mind and intelligence=Numerous dream beauties dreaming support!
a-ci-rena - very soon=Victim-like number looks offer!
san-ci-nna - cut=Embedded number mother's offers!

with "cyi" /y pronounces like in "yes"/:
a-cyi-ta - oh, infallible one=Victim-like (CuI?)
u-cy-ate - is said
at-ri-cya-te - becomes more
ava-cya - unkinpra-mu-cyate - is completely liberated
This post became too long, I'll go to another one.

What I'm getting from the Italian textbook I got from the library is that in Italian "c" before "o" and "u" is pronounced like "ch" in "chemist", so all 'co" and "cu" words would be having "k" sound and as such be useless for "choi" and "chui". The "ch: is pronounced like "ch" in "architect" so all "cho" and "chu" words are useless too. So, all I can get you from Italian is "ce"/che/, and "ci"/chi/.
You tell me if you need them,  Master of Meanings.


Edited by Don Quixote - 08-Mar-2012 at 03:00