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    Posted: 24-Sep-2012 at 19:02
We've known this for years, but only now do they make it official: the ordinary Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front were as brutal as the SS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206982/I-liked-shoot--women-kids--kind-sport-Secret-Nazi-tapes-reveal-ordinary-German-soldiers-responsible-war-crimes-just-SS.html
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2012 at 19:22

A peaked cap and uniform also look more intimidating. Take this Gestapo officer, for example
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It's psychological -  a uniform gves one a different image to hind behind; an exuse fro whatever happens when one is it; a feeling of belonging. It's easier to commit an atrocity when in uniform because it happens in a social role, that is symbolizzed by the uniform.

So monsters can kill babies while in uniform and kiss their own kids when without it - it's like a double life. So they like uniforms. Besides monsters are fragile people, usually with low self-respect that take their own anger on others - so they need the protection of the uniform and the reinforced feeling of belonging it gives.
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Ever notice how the monsters like their military uniforms?  
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Sep-2012 at 20:04

Another evil bastard: Ratko Mladic who ordered the mass-execution of many Bosnian Muslims
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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2012 at 19:18
Here's another one for the collection:

Pol Pot:


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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2012 at 20:17
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Some Japanese still believe the Nanking Massacre was invented by Chinese propagandists. This sounds very similar to neo-fascist Holocaust denial
http://www.pacificwar.org.au/WarCrimeIntro.html


What do they think about the thousands of Korean women forced into military prostitution by the Japanese army?  The large population of post-war Japanese-Korean children is more than enough evidence about that issue, as is the apology ultimately demanded by the Korean nation itself a few years ago.

The trouble with history is that it lingers on and and stains the honor of nations long after the atrocities are done.

They might respond with some insane conspiracy theory, like modern-day neo-Nazis claiming the Holocaust was committed by the alliesWacko
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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2012 at 12:55
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Some Japanese still believe the Nanking Massacre was invented by Chinese propagandists. This sounds very similar to neo-fascist Holocaust denial
http://www.pacificwar.org.au/WarCrimeIntro.html


What do they think about the thousands of Korean women forced into military prostitution by the Japanese army?  The large population of post-war Japanese-Korean children is more than enough evidence about that issue, as is the apology ultimately demanded by the Korean nation itself a few years ago.

The trouble with history is that it lingers on and and stains the honor of nations long after the atrocities are done.
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That site has a very large bias.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Sep-2012 at 20:13
Some Japanese still believe the Nanking Massacre was invented by Chinese propagandists. This sounds very similar to neo-fascist Holocaust denial
http://www.pacificwar.org.au/WarCrimeIntro.html
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2012 at 19:04
It was the Germans who first bombed civilians and provoked the Allies to respond in kind. Harris' firebombing (in his own words) deprived the Nazis of many future workers and soldiers
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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 19:07
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Allied propagandists depicted Herman Goring as a flamboyant, comical figure. However, the real Goring was a greedy and cruel monster. He looted the captured territories of art for his personal collection, formed the Gestapo, and deliberately bombed civilians in London and Coventry


Unfortunately, the Allies practiced unrestricted bombing of civilians throughout the war (including the Americans) and we looted German museums and all of their technology afterwards.

Goering was no worse that Bomber Harris against the Germans or American General LeMay against the population of Japan.


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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 19:04
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Well there as good as any if ya believe them to be so.....depends on the viewpoint and yours is as good as anybody elses. Mine would include Stalin and varying Japanese of WW2. Pol Pot...Mao and a couple along those lines.
 
It's all context.

Other countries' soldiers could also be cruel, but few (not even the Russians) matched the Germans and Japanese in senseless brutality


On the contrary, the Russians more than matched the brutality of the Germans and the Japanese, against their own people as well as their enemies.
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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 19:02
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The cruelty of the Japanese matched that of the Germans. Above is Shiro Ishii, a scientist who experimented on prisoners. Unfortunately he was never brought to justice as MacArthur gave him immunity in return for cooperating with the Allies


Wasn't he in charge of Unit 731 at Harbin?

Giving monsters immunity is nothing new.  The American military gladly traded for the data from the horrific Luftwaffe Medical experiments, which were so bad that the Luftwaffe officers refused to be associated with the testing in any way.

And Operation Paperclip welcomed Nazis into our midst, including people like Werner von Braun.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2012 at 19:15
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Well there as good as any if ya believe them to be so.....depends on the viewpoint and yours is as good as anybody elses. Mine would include Stalin and varying Japanese of WW2. Pol Pot...Mao and a couple along those lines.
 
It's all context.

Other countries' soldiers could also be cruel, but few (not even the Russians) matched the Germans and Japanese in senseless brutality
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2012 at 23:46
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

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Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2012 at 20:40
More eyewitness accounts of Japanese atrocities. How could they be so cruel?
http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~kunliu1/Nanjing_Massacre.html
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Aug-2012 at 19:16

U-Boat commander Heinz Eck (left) sank a Greek steamship in 1944, then massacred the survivors to prevent them alerting allied planes. 
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Aug-2012 at 16:21
Well there as good as any if ya believe them to be so.....depends on the viewpoint and yours is as good as anybody elses. Mine would include Stalin and varying Japanese of WW2. Pol Pot...Mao and a couple along those lines.
 
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  Quote Alyazia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Aug-2012 at 06:13
Hitler, genghis khan and holako too maybe idk Smile
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