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Kimptonite
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Topic: Small armies which changed history Posted: 02-Nov-2011 at 18:02 |
I'm researching examples of small contingents of soldiers having a significant impact upon a campaign, war or even history in general.
The Battle of Thermopylae is a key example, as is the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire. Any other ideas?
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Posted: 02-Nov-2011 at 18:15 |
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Battle of the Hacienda (aka Battle of Cameroune).
65 members of the French Foriegn Legion were trapped in the Hacienda of Cameroune by a Mexican force of 1200 or so cavalry, some Mexican infantry turned up later to make it 2000)ish) against 65.
The legionnaires held out for over twelve hours despite having no water, no food and limited ammunition. When their ammunition ran out the remaining unwounded legionnaires fixed bayonets and charged the Mexicans.
This is the battle where la Legion d'Etranger made its bones...........
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For money you did what guns could not do.........
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Posted: 02-Nov-2011 at 19:03 |
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Their captain's prosthetic hand is still kept by the legion as a treasured relic. Recruits use it to swear oaths in place of a bible
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Ollios
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Posted: 02-Nov-2011 at 21:16 |
How much small? Second Battle of İnönü 15.000 Turk-30.000 Greek, Turkish Victory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_%C4%B0n%C3%B6n%C3%BC
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 00:16 |
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The Alamo.
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Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 09:24 |
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Battle of Marathon. 10,000 Greeks vs ~50,000 Persians
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Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 11:31 |
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I'm going with the Battle of Muret, 1213. Avery small French force defeated a very large army from Aragon. It was the beginning of the end for the Albigensian's and the stalwart Raymond of Toulouse.
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Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 12:10 |
Hin-mah-too-yah-lat-kekt Chief Joseph and his band. A little over 800 vs. 2000 plus of the best the US Army could put in the field. He fights them, out maneuvers them and employs tactics that astounded them. His efforts tho in the end fail.... He, ntl becomes a legend. And forces a re-examination of BIA affairs....as usual.... later ignored. Sherman calls him the 'Red Napoleon'.The brothers in Idaho and on the Anadarko still chant to his memory.
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Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 15:48 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Hin-mah-too-yah-lat-kekt Chief Joseph and his band. A little over 800 vs. 2000 plus of the best the US Army could put in the field. |
It wasn't a complete failure though CV, White Bird managed to get over a hundred of his followers into Canada.......
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For money you did what guns could not do.........
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Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 19:52 |
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During the First Matabele War, 50 British troops defeated a force of 5,000 Ndebele warriors. This was however due mainly to the first real deployment and use of the maxim, but this small band of soldiers created a psychological myth that exists to this day.
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Posted: 04-Nov-2011 at 05:26 |
Originally posted by Chookie
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Hin-mah-too-yah-lat-kekt Chief Joseph and his band. A little over 800 vs. 2000 plus of the best the US Army could put in the field. |
It wasn't a complete failure though CV, White Bird managed to get over a hundred of his followers into Canada.......
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A kind afterthought...ntl, that is not how tis viewed on the res.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 18:20 |
The small amount of Texian soldiers at the Battle of the Alamo
and again the less than 1K soldiers of Texians at the Battle of San Jacinto
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Posted: 07-Nov-2011 at 13:05 |
Battle of Preveza; Naval battle; Turkish victory 12.000 Turk-60.000 Christians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Preveza
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Posted: 07-Nov-2011 at 15:35 |
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The "stars of Eger" 3000 Hungarian vs. 200,000 Turkish.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2011 at 16:12 |
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And of course the battle of Nandorfehervar at 1456, where 20,000 Hungarian led by Janos Hunyadi beat 70,000 Türkish led by sultan Mehmed II. and defended Europe from the Ottoman Invasion.
From that year the pope (Callixtus III.) has ordered bell ringing in every christian church in every country at 12:00, to celebrate this victory.
Breivik that norwegian weirdo made his attack on the 555th anniversary of the Nandorfehervar victory. Maybe just a coincidence but I dont think so as he considered Janos Hunyadi the christian who did the most against the spreading of islam.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2011 at 19:36 |
Originally posted by benzin
And of course the battle of Nandorfehervar at 1456, where 20,000 Hungarian led by Janos Hunyadi beat 70,000 Türkish led by sultan Mehmed II. and defended Europe from the Ottoman Invasion.
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Was it battle or siege (Siege of Belgrade-1456)?
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Posted: 08-Nov-2011 at 03:53 |
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It was both of them, first the Türks tried to invade the castle of Nandorfehervar (currently Belgrade) and after that the defenders of the castle attacked out from the castle and beated the Türks in battle.
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Posted: 08-Nov-2011 at 17:32 |
I'm not convinced by some of the submissions so far. Here's why:
Battle of the Hacienda (aka Battle of Cameroune). The Alamo. The Siege of Eger |
Sure, small armies displayed tremendous courage here against larger forces, (and in the case of Eger, which almost shouldn't be here, a victory) but neither can claim to have "changed history" very much. There wasn't much consequence to these battles. Indeed, even after Eger, Hungary remained thrice divided.
Battle of Marathon. 10,000 Greeks vs ~50,000 Persians
battle of Nandorfehervar
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Last time I checked, 10-20,000 isn't exactly a small army. It might be small comparatively to their foes, but its not even dramatically smaller in that context. The rest seem okay to me. I might raise issue against Battle of Preveza, since it was overturned almost completely by Lepanto merely ~30 years later, a battle that had a much more lasting historical impact, but I'm not a fan of historical determinism, so I'll let them have this one.
Edited by ConradWeiser - 08-Nov-2011 at 17:37
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Posted: 09-Nov-2011 at 15:05 |
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"I'm researching examples of small contingents of soldiers having a significant impact upon a campaign, war OR even history in general"
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I guess in comparison to many of those they took on, Genghis Khan's Mongolian army was small, and very successful.
| The Mongol military tactics and organization helped the Mongol Empire to conquer nearly all of continental Asia, the Middle East and parts of eastern Europe. In many ways, it can be regarded as the first "modern" military system. The original foundation of that system was an extension of the nomadic lifestyle of the Mongols. Other elements were invented by Genghis Khan, his generals, and his successors. Technologies useful to attack fortifications were adapted from other cultures, and foreign technical experts integrated into the command structures. For the larger part of the 13th century, the Mongols lost only a few battles using that system, but always returned to turn the result around in their favor. In many cases, they won against significantly larger opponent armies. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_military_tactics_and_organization
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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
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