Can't find medieval depictions of the Colosseum

Sidney! Are we looking at the same depiction?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Vittore_Crivelli_-_Saint_Bonaventure.jpg

I just see it as most different than my first depiction!

Please compare the depictions in my first post with this one?

And, just what does a "curved spine" have to do with anything?

Regards, Ron

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Vittore_Crivelli_-_Saint_Bonaventure.jpg

By the way, I drink every night! It makes my life easier! LOL

Edited by opuslola - 16-Jan-2014 at 23:30

And Sidney, I found that I had posted a clue to book bindings at the wrong site. Here is a copy of the pertinent information;

" http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Vittore_Crivelli_-_Saint_Bonaventure.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Vittore_Crivelli_-_Saint_Bonaventure.jpg

Ron


I presume I posted this site for some reason, but since I sometimes post in an inebriated state, I don't know why I posted it here? But I might well have used the ornate visual aid of an old book that is held in the hand of the venerated saint? Why? Because in another post, I held that old book bindings were very different from the more modern ones. So that is it!

Regards, Ron "
So my response was to show the manner of old book bindings. Perhaps you could post the image I was trying to convey?

Edited by opuslola - 15-Jan-2014 at 21:42

Sidney! You are a priceless person to speak unto! You seem to have an almost unlimited access to many places in the ancient world than do I?

Please keep this up!

More regards than you can understand! Ron

Originally posted by Sidney Originally posted by opuslola But, boy o" You present some great goods! Could you provide a presentation like those above that presents Caesar wearing the armour of the Fleur di Lys? Look hard and long for this one? Regards, Ron Could you give me an example to set the ball rolling?

From an old posting at this very site;

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28094

Also Saladin in same form.

Ron

Originally posted by opuslola Originally posted by Sidney Originally posted by opuslola Just look at the book! It is most modern it is, is it not? Ron Which book? Any of them shown above. Most all of them look almost identical to modern bindings, etc. Ron

Book binding is far older than book printing, and the books above illustrate the normal practise of placing book pages between hard covers of wood or leather, in order to protect them. As this is the same technique as done today with hard back books, then they will look similar. It is a very straight forward method, so what startling difference are you expecting to see?

There is variation however. The last two illustrations exhibit books with flat spines, which shows they have been stitched to the board covers in a manner common to book binding up until the 15th Century. After that period, which is illustrated in the other pictures, books started to get a curve in their spine because the pages were sewn together and then attached to the covers which wrapped around three sides of the book.

Perhaps this technique is older than you realised?

Edited by Sidney - 08-Jan-2014 at 19:05

Originally posted by opuslola Rashid-al Din! From wikipedia; Calligraphy Workshop: Rab' i-Rashidi[edit] The work was executed at the elaborate scriptorium Rab'-e Rashidi at Qazvin, where a large team of calligraphers and illustrators were employed to produce lavishly illustrated books. These books could also be copied, while preserving accuracy, using a printing process imported from China. Hulagu with his Christian queen Dokuz Khatun. Hulagu conquered Muslim Syria, in collaboration with Christian forces from Cilician Armenia, Georgia, and Antioch. From Rashid al-Din's work. The work was at the time of completion, c. 1307, of monumental size. Several sections have not survived or been discovered. Portions of the Jami al-Tawarikh survive in lavishly illustrated manuscripts, believed to have been produced during his lifetime and perhaps under his direct supervision at the Rab'-e Rashidi workshop.[citation needed] Historiographical significance[edit] Volumes II and III of the Jami al-Tawarikh have survived and are of great importance for the study of the Il-Khanate. Volume II is an account of the successors of Genghis Khan while volume III describes the Ilkhanid Dynasty. In his narration down to the reign of Möngke (1251–1259), Juvayni was Rashid al-Din's main source; however, he also utilized numerous now-lost Far Eastern and other sources. The Jami' al-Tawarikh is perhaps the single most comprehensive Persian source on the Mongol period. For the period of Genghis Khan, his sources included the now lost Altan Debter (Golden Book), and historians find by comparison with material that survives in Chinese sources that he made good use of the source.[citation needed] His treatment of the Ilkhanid period seems to be biased, as he himself was a high official, yet it is still seen as the most valuable written source for the dynasty." Again very little information concerning this Jewish historian remain, most of the rest is conjectural at best.

Wikipedia's lack of an adequately detailed entry on Rashid-al Din does not mean that little information is known about this person.

This book contains a potted, but much better, history of Rashid-al Din's political career;
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=N7_4Gr9Q438C&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=Rashid-al-Din+Hamadani+poison&source=bl&ots=HZ2EAQag5q&sig=g1bSWmAOJric4UksDeBnilS6_NE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bMXNUrX8J63y7AbQ0YH4Dg&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Rashid-al-Din%20Hamadani%20poison&f=false

This book gives a wider picture of Rashid-al Din's life;
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3NZpbDOSAcQC&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=sultaniyya+rashid-al&source=bl&ots=8HAztVjW0C&sig=c5REJPNH57_hGJqIxYfUXOedk4o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=L8nNUty6BKOO7AbJsICwBA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=sultaniyya%20rashid-al&f=false

I can add that he was the son of Imad al-Dawla ben Abu al-Khayr, and he himself had fourteen sons, eight of whom became governors of provinces, and whose lives and careers are known.

How much more information do you require?

Edited by Sidney - 08-Jan-2014 at 17:03

Originally posted by opuslola But, boy o" You present some great goods! Could you provide a presentation like those above that presents Caesar wearing the armour of the Fleur di Lys? Look hard and long for this one? Regards, Ron

Could you give me an example to set the ball rolling?

Edited by Sidney - 08-Jan-2014 at 16:16

Originally posted by opuslola Just look at the book! It is most modern it is, is it not? Ron

Which book?

Sidney, what wonderful representations, but I am afraid I give no plus points for timeliness!

Thus your words:
"Artists often represent people in a context that their contemporary viewer would understand; containing symbolism and meaning shared at the time of painting between painter and audience. Placing historical people in anachronistic settings and clothing was not unusual. These images are not photos of an event or attempts at accurate historical reconstructions, but are portrayals of an idea that is communicated through stock mediums understood within the culture they were generated for."

I will give the above paragraph a 2 out of ten! That is, there is a 20% chance that you shall be proven correct!

The words written above were done so to correct scenes that could not be correctly or in my opinion incorrectly placed in the distant past.

Ron

Edited by opuslola - 07-Jan-2014 at 22:09

And there is also Steinwick's painting from 1630:

Judging by the setting, Jerome clearly lived in the 17th Century!?

Artists often represent people in a context that their contemporary viewer would understand; containing symbolism and meaning shared at the time of painting between painter and audience. Placing historical people in anachronistic settings and clothing was not unusual. These images are not photos of an event or attempts at accurate historical reconstructions, but are portrayals of an idea that is communicated through stock mediums understood within the culture they were generated for.