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There is NO reliable contemprary source from either East or West ever say huns were mongoloid, but an official persian historian working for Mongol Empire under Kublai Khan says Ghengis Khan was a caucasian. The misconception about huns and mongols were mongoloid was only spreaded during the colonial ages, when europeans were tended to view chinese, japanese and other mongoloid natives in America and Australia as savages, arrogantly linking them with their much scorned historical huns and mongols, but in fact, the misconception was just like the Nasal Index in indian caste system proposed by british anthropologists, which is totally WRONG and found on deliberate distortion of history.

I challenge everyone of you to find any quote from any source to prove Huns and mongols were mongoloid, if you failed, you must admit europeans are more hunnic and mongolic than east asians. LOL
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  Quote Snafu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2011 at 18:27
Nonsense.

The Huns may be up for debate because they were of mixed groups, but the Mongols were definitely NOT white people. There is proof of this because the Mongol rulers of China all had official court portraits made. And except for Genghis Khan and possibly his son Ogedai, they were all alive when these paintings were done. If they were white, would they have allowed these to be their official court portraits?


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  Quote Wadjet Horus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2011 at 20:42

Clap HAHAHA, Those paintings were from 19 century, 500 years after Mongols fall, 700 years after Ghengish Khans death. BTW NO chinese ever saw Ghengish Khan in person and his sons during mongol empire. You failed.

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No, those are from the Yuan dynasty. Many copies were made in later years, but these originals are from the 13th & 14th centuries.

The portrait of Khubilai is famous and is well documented as being from the 13th century. It was painted by a Nepalese artist and sculptor named Anige (1245-1306) who served Khubilai for 40 years and was very close to him. Anige also painted the portrait of Khubilai's wife, Chabi (who also isn't white).

Since the other portraits are in a similar style I'm assuming Anige or his sons or students did them.


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  Quote Wadjet Horus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2011 at 00:58
There are NO Yuan dynasty paintings, they are never carbon dated. I have seen the controversy over their age and still not settled. There is only one alleged Yuan dynasty painting and other other in Taiwan is clearly an 17 century product. These are NOT from Yuan dynasty, but much later period.
 
Also yo have to notice, some of them have red beard.. Ancint chinese artists do not know how to highligh the racial features, all foreigners were painted the way they painted chinese.
 
 
Tell me which of them is mongoloid?
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  Quote Wadjet Horus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2011 at 01:11
Even some of his sons looked mongoloid only to be explained by race mixing, Ghengis Khan may had many mongoloid women as wife since siberians and all chinese were under his rule.
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Ghengis Khan and his sons had mongoloid wifes does not mean the mongols and Ghengis Khan were mongoloid, like spaniards raping of amerindians and intermarriage does not prove chinese and japanese were conquistadores. The mongols came from western asia, they were the colonizers of Siberia where the mongoloids dwelled. They forced those tribes to assimilated, took their women, and killed part of them. None of chinese source ever described Ghengis Khan as a mongoloid like having black hair or black eyes, just say he was tall, fat, old.
 
Another fact, obesity is higher in western countries than in any east asian countries. Racid Al Hamadani the official chronicler of Persia under Mongol empire called Ghengis Khan as red haired, bleu eyed man, but suprised to find his SON kublai Khan does not have red hair(race-mixing).
 
The golden hordes graves in Siberia and historical khanate estates turnd out all pure europids, middle easterners, turks. None of them have mongoloid admixture.
 
Mongol conquest in West Asia left NO genetic traces of mongoloids, the highest rate of mongoloid admixture in Europe happens in Finland and Estonia where mongols never reached.  The rise of Mongols were like those of colonized southamerica, westerners came, killed, raped and forced their cultures and languages, assimilated them into the empire, so the forced siberians were later mistaken to be the mongols. The better proof is race mixing ensued after Mongol empire happened not in the west BUT in Siberia and central Asia, and central asian have higher western admixtures than mongoloid admixtures. If the trand of eastward race mixing explains how Mongols started, it was the east that was invaded first not the west, the invasions came from the west to east, conquered China and went back west again.
 
Because of colonial and chinese propaganda(out of shame), people only were made to believe mongols were mongoloid recently, in historical records, chinese called the mongols as people with colorful eyes(Semuren), they brought Islam into China, and raped a lot of local women, massacred a lot of people.
 


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2011 at 02:01
Agree with you that for white people,all Asia people look the same,as for other color people white people are all the same.Tell me newest theory about origin of Asia nations.How did they evolve?Migrations,natives,
interconnections with others?Have you investigated DNA all around?Your DNA today,have been compared with DNA of ancient necropolises ever?  
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In the history of Mongol empire, we missed a basic element: colonialism. Western colonialism started as early as the mythical age recorded in Mahabharata, the aryan invasion was the first recorded colonialism. The aryans did what mongols and huns did, they conquered, raped, massacred. The western colonialism has always been continueing untill this very day.
 
The huns and mongols were part of the long history of western colonialism, the mongoloid siberians and mongolians were the very first victims. Taking the colonialism into account, all puzzles about Mongol empire can be solved easily:
 
Why there is linguistic relationship between mongolian language and persian language?
 
Why Ghengis Khan was called a red haired man?
 
Why and how Islam came into China?
 
Why Mongol empire made chinese 3rd class citizen? Why there were people with colorful eyes(色目人) in China during Yuan dynasty?
 
Why Yuan Dynasty is so out of place in the whole history of East Asia? Why of all chinese 5000 years of dynastic history only mongols Yuan dynasty considered the most destructive?
 
Why there is no mongoloid admixtures in Wester Asia? Why mongoloid admixtures only happened in Scandinavia?
 
Why siberians and mongolians? what is their relationship?
 
Why mongols were so fierce? Later to be compared only to Ottoman empire and the recent colonial ages.
 
Why the mughals were caucasian?
 
Where are the massive mongols hordes?----------Russians, arabs, turks, europeans, all of them were the mongols.
 
What happens to Siberia now, thos helpless little mongoloid tribes got driven to and fro by the soviets and russians?
 
 
 


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Agree with you that for white people,all Asia people look the same,as for other color people white people are all the same.Tell me newest theory about origin of Asia nations.How did they evolve?Migrations,natives,
interconnections with others?Have you investigated DNA all around?Your DNA today,have been compared with DNA of ancient necropolises ever?  
 
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In chinese historical paintings, the racial difference was only highlighted by hair color and dress, you can refer to tocharians in chinese paintings. They do not look different from chinese except for the beard.
 
Ancient India, Siberia from 5000BC--4000BC all had been terriroty of mongoloid natives, western cauasians came into Siberian and invaded India from 3000BC and drove them into modern day Japanese, korean, chinese territories. Proably some siberians escaped into northamerica, and even western scandinavia, it was likely how eskimos and saamis, lapps, nenets appeared. India was later mixed up by the invading westerners because they found rich land there. China was also under invasion, western asians were genetically proven in Shandong province 2500 years ago.
Of course, they were not the cultural bringers, but destroyers.
 
The west invaded East Asia since 3000BC, India, Mongolia were the products of the same sort of invasion, post-colonial asian countries.


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Westerners should stop calling asian hordes or yellow peril, to fit the truth: western hordes, the white peril. East asians have NEVER invaded the west, it is us which used to have been invaded, raped, massacred.
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Have you investigated DNA all around?
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Indians dna stretches apart at east asia and west, proving a scenario of conquest:
 
 
 
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2011 at 09:11
As I have already supposed it.I am so far away from those places,with my body and mind.Let me search DNA results!Those are DNA inside people that have inhabited Asia in ancient times or  that live here today?
Were those results compared with ancient necropolises results?


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Your racist postings have gotten you banned elsewhere.


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The Khitans were mongoloid. And they ranked higher than the Chinese in the Yuan dynasty. If the Mongols were westerners who hated Asians, wouldn't they have put the Khitans with the Chinese?

The caste system of the Mongols wasn't based on race. It was based on who they trusted the most and on seniority. The Han Chinese were the last to be conquered, so they ranked the lowest.  
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2011 at 16:08
But if he was right about Persian,influence than racial and ethnic conflicts were more than obvious.We have same situation on European soil.Rome and Byzantine,ruled the world on same way.Modern world conflicts on European&African territories in last two centuries were nothing less than ethnic cleanse and populism.
Agree with you,Uncle,that best story teller do not use insults&simple words,but facts!So,here you are Wadjet,i found your story interesting,just calm down!Regards.
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Everyone agrees that the people of the steppes and Siberia had mixed racial heritage. Western groups did come in and interbreed with the native Mongoloid populations. But that doesn't make the people of the steppe "white". It makes them mixed. I don't believe the native elements were wiped out or driven away. In fact I think they remained dominant.

Wadjet is overestimating the effect western groups had because he wants the Mongols to be evil white men. He also seems to be under the impression that only white people are capable of widespread death and destruction. Tell that to the people of Nanking or Manchuria. Was the Imperial Japanese army also made up of white men? What about all the internal bloodshed that happened in China over the centuries? Was it all perpetrated by white spies? The Mongols didn't introduce violence to a peaceful land. They were just the best at being violent because they came from a harsh land.

White people are guilty of enough REAL atrocities in the world. You don't really need to start making up new ones or borrowing the atrocities of others.
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Everyone agrees that the people of the steppes and Siberia had mixed racial heritage. Western groups did come in and interbreed with the native Mongoloid populations. But that doesn't make the people of the steppe "white". It makes them mixed. I don't believe the native elements were wiped out or driven away. In fact I think they remained dominant.
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They were cearly not dominant since they do not have white female mtdna, but ychms admxiture.
Their language is also more related to persians, and their tribalistic cultures could not be in anyway dominant over the imperialistic westerners, it is simple truth.
 
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Wadjet is overestimating the effect western groups had because he wants the Mongols to be evil white men. He also seems to be under the impression that only white people are capable of widespread death and destruction. Tell that to the people of Nanking or Manchuria. Was the Imperial Japanese army also made up of white men? What about all the internal bloodshed that happened in China over the centuries? Was it all perpetrated by white spies? The Mongols didn't introduce violence to a peaceful land. They were just the best at being violent because they came from a harsh land.
 
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Evil does not sudden sprang out of you, it is have been evil all along, from India to huns to mongols to colonialism. I have stated, mongol invasion is the MOST destructive dynasty chinese ever had, so many chinese scholars believe to more destrutive than japanese invasion.
 
Japan invasion was a nationalistic invasion, meant to drive out colonists, given a background of threatening west. There was a gang of bigger savages behind them, that is why. Mao thanked Japan for her invasion, if not for them China would have been split by russian, and american and other western colonists.
 
 
 
 
Dont tell me they are capable of invading this:
 
 
 
 
Where is the mongoloid mongol dna left in central asians?
 
 
 
 


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The Khitans were mongoloid. And they ranked higher than the Chinese in the Yuan dynasty. If the Mongols were westerners who hated Asians, wouldn't they have put the Khitans with the Chinese?
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Khitans were not mongols, mongols rised after Khitans were defeated by the mongols. Khitans disliked the mongols and tried to drive them out of Siberia and China. And Khitans were a mixed group of koreans and caucasians since khitans were split into 2 class during mongols rule, one is semuren,another is 3rd class chinese, proving my point that caucasians dominated mongols.
 
 
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jul-2011 at 19:59
Huns were probably mixed or maybe even more caucasian, but no way mongols were caucasian. Mongols came from today's Mongolia and all mongolians are mongoloid
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