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Topic: How did ancients make fire!?! Posted: 14-Jun-2011 at 09:11 |
Here is link about tribes today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_fireafter we finish will tell you letter we use,originated from this sign.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2011 at 09:43 |
Med, you dropped the e when you typed making fire. I added it, now you can get to the right page.
From the artifacts that I've found here the firebow and flint were the favs here. In the Colonial era the usual technique was to carry lit embers from a neighbors house. This was done using a metal device with a lid usually used as a bed warmer.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2011 at 12:13 |
Where is flint stone here?Letter "lambda" form somehow shows us position of two sticks?I need your contribution in this direction.On Bat Creek stone it looks as "lambda" and sounds hard "L"(llllllllll) in my alphabet.I thought it's form was simplified presentation of fire making process?!?Somehow?Let me start here.It is your turn,all ideas contribute to the solution.Translation has to be:Sparkle.(but in some syllables it shows me it is also the stone,similar to that,your arrow head was made from). Example. Wing=from sparkle victim(Did it refer to stick or stone)?
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Posted: 14-Jun-2011 at 21:59 |
Originally posted by red clay
In the Colonial era the usual technique was to carry lit embers from a neighbors house. This was done using a metal device with a lid usually used as a bed warmer.
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The same technique was used in Tamania by the aborigones (sans the metal device). The super isolated Tasmanian aborigones gradually forgot alot of technology including fire drills, fishing hooks and returning boomerangs.
For fire, the only source they had were lightning sparked natural fires and embers from the neighbors.
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Posted: 15-Jun-2011 at 02:06 |
Agreed. As numerous anthro types would substantiate until flints stones etc.. were idealized, most probably by shear accident.....the remains of natural fires were the primary source.
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Posted: 15-Jun-2011 at 10:37 |
Wait, what about making fire by rotating a wooden stick on a another wooden surface? Or does that take too long?
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Posted: 15-Jun-2011 at 10:57 |
Short part of "lambda" like sign have to be arms,long part stick?What do you think?
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Posted: 15-Jun-2011 at 12:11 |
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
Wait, what about making fire by rotating a wooden stick on a another wooden surface? Or does that take too long? |
Been around also a long time..........and unless ya know what ya doing it takes a long time to figure it out because that is a technique that is better then simply rubbing sticks for friction.
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Posted: 15-Jun-2011 at 19:14 |
It would have begun with forest fires: aware that burned carcasses tasted good our ancestors would take a burning branch back to their caves and keep it fed with wood. Making fire would have been a mystery until one of the cavemen saw a tree struck by lightning. This may have inspired him to bang two rocks together to recreate the effect. Through trial and error he would have learned sparks could be made with a flint and a piece of iron.
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Posted: 16-Jun-2011 at 08:39 |
Look at second lambda sign without curves.What do this one remind you on?Suggestions can be about fire making process! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lambda_uc_lc.svg
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Posted: 16-Jun-2011 at 18:46 |
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Through trial and error he would have learned sparks could be made with a flint and a piece of iron. |
Fire making started long before metallurgy. Most early peoples used friction. Though I imagine the friction can be generated by hand effort, the more sohpisticated method is a fire bow / drill used with a stick and a board with a depression in it.
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Posted: 16-Jun-2011 at 19:05 |
Iron can be found in its natural state as pyrites or "fool's gold." You can also find iron ore in bogs
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Posted: 17-Jun-2011 at 08:07 |
Hey guys, Medenawaye is asking about the fire sign Lambda, he's working on a translation or something can anyone help him out any?
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Posted: 17-Jun-2011 at 08:11 |
Used to be a prescribed method for fire, rub a boy scout and a girl scout together.
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Posted: 17-Jun-2011 at 11:46 |
More precise:Back slash draw has to be Stick with flint stone head(ancient spear?) with axis pointed on your shoulder(Upper side).I suppose you are on knees.Down side is spark effective.Head of stick(with flint head?) with your hands you are rubbing with flint stone or metal on earth surface.Have you seen sign,described by me?Small front slash from lambda are your hands. (around rubbing place you have straw).Am I clear?If i am true you are the first that know the meaning of sign "lambda"!
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Posted: 17-Jun-2011 at 13:25 |
Med, your clear enough. Have you looked at the glyphs that are being called "first toungue"?
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Posted: 17-Jun-2011 at 17:13 |
This has to be a joke.O.k. Red,you have excavated many ancient habitats till now.Were inside,coal fire holes (pits),quarts stones from SiO2 or nearby those pits?Were there(on stone) traces of erosive acts similar with rubbing it with head of spear?I am deadly serious about it. P.S.Glyphs that remind you about tongue meant tongue. Latter language derived from it.
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Posted: 30-Jun-2011 at 12:21 |
Med, here is a link I think you will find interesting. You may have to join the forum but it's worth it.
On first tongue you mis read me. There is a system of Glyphs that are being called the first language. These have been identified on 5 continents, including the Americas. There are elements of these glyphs in Rongo Rongo, the script from Easter Island.
If you google First Tongue, you'll be able to find a translating program.
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Posted: 30-Jun-2011 at 12:44 |
Meden ya know I love the way ya mind works.... but the best I can do here is say it reminds me of how one stacks twigs or small branches up ...usually in circle over a shallow pit....when creating a fire...ya do this to allow ventilation to initially engage the materials.
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Posted: 30-Jun-2011 at 15:15 |
Red,link does not works!CV,nice trial,but small slash have to be hands.I bet on it.(beer?)
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