european huns

Guys, chill down !

Ever in history a leading nation was always expanding and arrogant, thats the symptom of mankind, not only europeans, turks, russians, white race, etc.

Kanas : What I wrote to you I didnt take it as a propaganda, Im not some kind of nationalist, so you are on the wrong path my friend if you call me this way.

My interest is history. And the reason for that Im on forums with that interest is because the official history of Hungary leaves very much question behind, its based on very few written historical sources (more or less the Gesta Hungarorum (13th century) and the De Administrando Imperio by Constantine Porphyrogenitus, X. century) and about the fact that some of the most basic words of the hungarian language are of finno ugrian origin.

Even these 2 written source says confusing things wich doesnt recognized by the official theory. For example in the De Administrando, Constantine call us Turks and says our former name was Sabartoi Asphaloi. Thats pretty interesting that the hungarian ambassador call ourselves turks in byzantine, if we are not related to turks anyhow.

Even if you read it on wikipedia,- wich is unserious that you take as a reliable resource -you wont be able to find more finno ugrian word relates to hungarian than turkic. You have the internet. Take a try. At least I couldnt, even though I speak the language.

The truth is that less osmanic words to be found as well in hungarian language than old turkic. All the old turkic words wich are related to hungarian are base words of a language (lot of them doesnt even represent in the turkish language !)

Because Im sure you still dont believe me I give you some examples you can see what Im talking about. (These words are not related officially, or the academy of sciences never checked these turkic languages with hungarian)

Drum : Dob - doba (gagauz), dobul (kirgiz) dobil (kazah)
Grass : Gyep - Tsöp (kirgiz)
Weak : Gyenge - Jenge (osman turkic) Jengi (gagauz word for woman)
Children : Gyerek - Törüöh (yakut), Tyereh (Chuvash)
Mouth : Ajak - Ayah (yakut)
Anger : Harag - Gahar (Türkmen), kahar (kazah)
Hand : Kacs - Katsa (Chuvash), koltsoh (karaim tatar)
Mixed eyed : Kancsal - Hantsar (Chuvash)
Nice, astonishing : Kellemes - Kemelle (Chuvash), Künyelle (tatar)
Narrow, small : Keskeny - Ketchkene (tatar), kiskene (karakalpak)
Forgiveness : Kegyelem - Kecirim (kirgiz)
Well : Kút - Kutuk (altai turkic), kuduk (tuvan kirgiz and uigur)
He has bad mood : Mogorva - Mugur (karachay balkar) makarti (chuvash)
Saddle : Nyereg - Jeger (kumik) Jeher (Azerbaidjani)
Size, Quantity : Öl - Öltsö (kirgiz), Öltsu (gagauz)
Little : Pici - Bitsi (kirgiz) Pecek (Chuvash)
Hope : Remeny - Eremnyi (yakut)
Ancestor : Ős - Ős (tuvan word for ancestry)
Flat : Sima - Soma (tatar) Jilma (Karaim tatar)
Row : Sor - Sira (gagauz, osman turkish)
Lot of : Sok - tsok (osman turkic, gagauz) tsoh (azerbajdzani)
Ray : Sugár - Sugla (türmén)
Stiff : Sűrű - Sera (Chuvash) Sürü (osman türkic word for mass of)

These are only some examples the list is much longer, and it contains several grammatical relations with these languages also.

What Im writing up here are based on facts and works of several serious linguists, I did took pretty much time with my researches too so anyone who thinks Im not right somewhere are welcome to prove the opposite.

Once again, Im not saying Hungarian is a Turkic language, but its for sure much more related to them as its considered "officially".

Edited by benzin - 10-Jun-2011 at 13:35

[QUOTE=benzin]Guys, chill down !

 

He's right men. Name calling and insulting back and forth wont get it. So slow down and breathe or I will do it for you.

 

It's that simple.

 

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 11-Jun-2011 at 00:38

Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis Your real reason is obviously political.

I hate politics, but I luve history!

Originally posted by MediaWarLord Kurds are known as proud and friendly people that love justice and freedom. We're not known as racists. This perception will exist forever!   But according you everyboydy outside Europe is an Arab or a Turk. But hey, Europeans are the purest peoples on earth, right?   Hungarians speak an Ugrian language: - FACT! An Ugrian language has nothing to do with IE languages: - FACT! An Ugrian language is related to other Turkic languages: - FACT!   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugric_languages

Yes but neither are Altaic languages tied to Uralic languages so what's the point? There was a Alto-Uralic theory which is now discounted but then there's also an Indo-European-Uralic theory as well.

Indo-Uralic???

No there's no proof Indo-European is any closer o Semitic than it is to Uralic. You called Hungarian an Altaic language which is not correct at all.

Ural-Altaic hypothesis is no longer considered valid. Indo-uralic and Indo-Semitic are still being studied. Also note that other Afro-Asiatic languages are not similar to IE except for semitic.

That's why the Indo-Semitic hypothesis is considered complex. Also the Ural mountains are much closer to Proto-Indo-European homeland.

It's just incorrect to say that just because a language in Europe is not IE therefor it must be Altaic or Turkic.

Moden

FYI

Mongolia marks many historic anniversaries this year. For instance, in connection with the 2220th Anniversary of the Founding of Mongolia's Statehood – "Hunnu Empire" (Xianu or Southern Hun Empire) – a Peace Festival of Nations of Hunnu Origin is going to be organised. Representatives of 33 countries have been invited to attend this great event.

Sorry to butt in on an interesting conversation, but I would follow the lead of A.T. Fomenko, etal, and propose that the "huns" were the "cossack" army or cavalry of old Russia.

Regards,

I corrected the spelling of "butt!" Smile

Edited by opuslola - 13-Jul-2011 at 18:10