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    Posted: 19-Apr-2011 at 12:46
Anyone who knows about, or knows where i can find information on the "Medallion of Havaiti Nui"? The only information i found online was at the site www.hawaiianprophecies.com.


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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2011 at 16:53
Here's a blog link. Can't say it's usefulness.
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  Quote Candleberry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2011 at 21:12
It is info copied from www.hawaiianprophecies.com, but thank you :)
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2011 at 21:37
According to Robert D. Craig Havaiti Nui was the mythical homeland of the Hawaiians and Maori. Polynesians believe the gods still live there and their ancestors' spirits return there after they die
Handbook of Polynesian mythology
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  Quote Candleberry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Apr-2011 at 17:19
Originally posted by Nick1986

According to Robert D. Craig Havaiti Nui was the mythical homeland of the Hawaiians and Maori. Polynesians believe the gods still live there and their ancestors' spirits return there after they die
Handbook of Polynesian mythology


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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Apr-2011 at 20:29
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  Quote Sander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Apr-2011 at 22:35

There are some problems with that Havaiti Nui medallion story.

Havaiti Nui sounds un-Hawaiian. One thing is that the  Hawaiian language has lost the letter ‘t’ a long time ago (since at least the 1700’s). One can check any Hawaiian text without finding any ‘t’ in it ( unless in foreign words) 

The ‘t’ in Polynesian languages became ‘k’ in Hawaiian or is omitted. To give some examples : The Polynesian god Tane is called Kane on Hawaii. The Polynesian word  tabu (taboo) is kapu in Hawaiian.

Many Polynesians from other island groups refer to an earlier homeland as Hawaiki, Havaii etc. (this may or may not refer to the familair Hawaii) but the  Hawaiians are an exception. As good as all known traditions ( including the oldest documented ones) speak of Kahiki (pronounced Tahiti in most other Polynesian languages) as an earlier homeland. 

 

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  Quote Candleberry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 03:46
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  Quote Candleberry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 03:51
Originally posted by Sander

There are some problems with that Havaiti Nui medallion story.

Havaiti Nui sounds un-Hawaiian. One thing is that the  Hawaiian language has lost the letter ‘t’ a long time ago (since at least the 1700’s). One can check any Hawaiian text without finding any ‘t’ in it ( unless in foreign words) 

The ‘t’ in Polynesian languages became ‘k’ in Hawaiian or is omitted. To give some examples : The Polynesian god Tane is called Kane on Hawaii. The Polynesian word  tabu (taboo) is kapu in Hawaiian.

Many Polynesians from other island groups refer to an earlier homeland as Hawaiki, Havaii etc. (this may or may not refer to the familair Hawaii) but the  Hawaiians are an exception. As good as all known traditions ( including the oldest documented ones) speak of Kahiki (pronounced Tahiti in most other Polynesian languages) as an earlier homeland.


 

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But might this medallion still exist? Even if its called Havaiti/Hawaii/Kahiki?
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 10:04
Havaiti Nui isn't Hawaiian, it may not be Polynesian but a holdover from a much older language.  The ancient name for Easter Island is Rapa Nui.
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  Quote unclefred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 13:23
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 17:05
Not my fortay men but you might find this article interesting.
 
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 20:24
Originally posted by Nick1986

According to Robert D. Craig Havaiti Nui was the mythical homeland of the Hawaiians and Maori. Polynesians believe the gods still live there and their ancestors' spirits return there after they die
Handbook of Polynesian mythology

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Apr-2011 at 08:17
The link works fine.  There is a server error, not the fault of the program.  It's been happening once in awhile since the host changed platforms.
 
 
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  Quote Sander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2011 at 05:58

After rethinking, one letter diffference should not matter that much.  Secondly,  I recently read that a few Hawaiian groups still had the ‘t’  this century. So, that name Havaiti Nui is not problematic.

 
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