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    Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 03:29

"But," rejoined his mother, "what everyone takes to be just and righteous at your grandfather's court is not thought to be so in Persia. For instance, your own grandfather has made himself master over all and sundry among the Medes, but with the Persians equality is held to be an essential part of justice: and first and foremost, your father himself must perform his appointed services to the state and receive his appointed dues: and the measure of these is not his own caprice but the law. Have a care then, or you may be scourged to death when you come home to Persia, if you learn in your grandfather's school to love not kingship but tyranny, and hold the tyrant's belief that he and he alone should have more than all the rest." – Xenophon Trans. Henry Graham Dakyns, Cyropaedia: the education of Cyrus pg. 15

Can anyone explain what type of government Mandane is describing to Cyrus here in regards to the Persians (not the Medes)?  Because it sounds kind of democratic. 



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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2011 at 11:25
The quote is a Zoroastrianism belief in equality, and strongly influenced Cyrus, who did base his ruling decisions on the religion.   With this belief, Cyrus was a master at winning the peace, after winning the war. 

The belief comes with a concept of individual responsibility for choosing right, and with a strong concept of forgiveness, if one does wrong but then realizes that, and becomes righteous.   Cyrus freed the Jews in Babylon and ordered Persia pay for the rebuilding of the Jewish temple in was is Israel, today.   Choosing right was tolerant of religious differences, as long as the difference still came to rightness.  Every much as the religious attitude following the US institutionalizing freedom of religion and freedom of speech.  And it is believed the religion, through popularity is Mirthaism, influenced Christianity.  

Unfortunately, the religious influence on government did not last, because the religious belief was not instituted law, like the US constitution.   Government returned to the power grabbing that is traditional, and  the Magi gained a lot of power and perverted the religion with superstition.  
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I'm aware that Zoroastrianism influenced the Persians, but what I'm saying is that people frequently attribute the institution of democracy to the Greeks.  In this particular excerpt however I'm almost inclined to think that what Xenophone is describing is a democratic institution among the Persians.  The only thing that throws me off is the word "appointed," but this could be a bad translation (I don't speak Greek).  In other words, who is doing the appointing here?  Is it just one person like the Mede King or could it be a councils eg. "the Council of Persia would give him men-at-arms" "the Council of Elders appointed him [Cyrus] to command the force for Media.  It appears to be more than one person.  Furthermore quasi-democratic council systems are not unheard of among the Indo-Iranians.  Perhaps this is an example of it.    

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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2011 at 11:40
I really love your question and you are right.  The best of Persian government was adopted by Greeks and Roman, and the United States of America also seems an imitation of Persia's governmental order, because each state has its own constitution, as each region of Persia had its own constitution.   Perhaps nothing could be better for us to study than the birth and evolution of Persia?  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire#Government

In all fairness, it should also be said the US adopted the federation of native Americans as well.  Perhaps we should consider the possibility that humans in similar circumstances develop similar ways of managing their affairs?   I think the only time a civilization did not begin as a democracy, is when invaders basically enslaved the conquered people, and denied them equality.  

I think equally important is the religion or belief system of the people.  Zoroastrianism is an excellent belief system if it can be kept clear of superstition.  Unfortunately, the failure to have mass education, resulted in superstition and the Magi having the upper hand, and the equality and high morality of Zoroastrianism was destroyed with superstition and a power struggle.  

Perhaps also learning of the economic development and decline of Persia could help us understand the evolution and devolution of this civilization.  The leaders of Persia benefited everyone and brought about great economic prosperity, up to a point, by the time of Alexander the Great, Persia was on the decline.  People want to follow those who benefit them the most, and love to love their kings and presidents.  However,  they turn against their leaders when they believe the leaders and benefiting themselves, at their expense, and are not in fact ruling well.   Then the people will turn on them like a pack of dogs, and they will welcome the invader, or new political party, who for sure will bring in change.    But there is a danger in wanting change just for the sake of change, without a clear idea of why things are as they are (silver, gold, oil, etc. are finite and economies fall when the supply can not meet the demand), and without a clear idea of the desired goals and how to achieve them.  

God works in strange ways, and the immediate unrest in the world is a great lesson in history and reasoning.  
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