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    Posted: 21-Dec-2010 at 12:27
according to you from what you have studied about the aryans, where do you think there home land was??
 
personally i think it was located in southern central asia, north east iran, northern afghanistan, northern pakistan, Kashmir, and northern indian states very close to Himalayas(punjab, haryana,himachal)
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I wonder if perhaps any of you have ever read this site?

http://www.tribwatch.com/dane.htm

It offers numerous suggestions!
http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/
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One concern of mine, however, is that many of those areas are mountaineous.  Mountain people do not tend to be nomadic yet Indo aryans migrated to Europe.  My guess is that the original homeland was on the steppes (Turkmenistan, Uzkekistan, Tajikistan).  
 
The indo aryans then migrated to both Europe and Kashmir, N.E. Iran, north India and north Pakistan etc.  The steppe indo aryans then later intermarried with asiatic peoples while people in Kashmir, north Pakistan, India etc still retain their original features.


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If any of you are concerned about the "Horde", then perhaps you can find some information here?

http://www.bing.com/search?go=Search&q=Hordaland&form=HPDTLB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hordaland (could these be Peoples of the Isles?)

http://www.bing.com/search?go=Search&q=Haeredaland&form=HPDTLB

http://www.tribwatch.com/poles.htm

If you, unlike me, place any faith in Tacitus, then look here;

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/tacitusc/germany/map.htm

Lastly! Have any of you ever heard of Blair?

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/blair_john1.htm

Perhaps this site will open up new ideas to persue?

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=Chronology%2C%20Aryan&c=x



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http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/
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Originally posted by Cryptic

One concern of mine, however, is that many of those areas are mountaineous.  Mountain people do not tend to be nomadic yet Indo aryans migrated to Europe.  My guess is that the original homeland was on the steppes (Turmenistan, Uzkekistan, Tajukistan). 
 
The indo aryans then migrated to both Europe and Kashmir, N.E. Iran, north India and north Pakistan etc.  The steppe indo aryans then later intermarried with asiatic peoples while people in Kashmir, north Pakistan, India etc still retain their original features.
 
a lot of people suggest this theory too and a lot of people agree with this, but archaeologically not a lot has been found in central asia, the aryan cities discovered in Russia/Kazakstan are good but are much younger, aryans in south asia have thought to have arrived much earlier then the date of these cities. I think afghanistan is one country of really good interest, because afghanistan is not just mountians, it has plains and valley like (khyber pass) that people can easily pass through.
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According to Avesta, the original land of Aryans was Airyanem Vaejah (expanse of the Aryans), after a climate change, this region became too cold to live, so Aryans left their homeland and migrated to southern lands, in the original land there were seven islands:
 
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^ whats the location of this?
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Originally posted by balochii

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I think afghanistan is one country of really good interest, because afghanistan is not just mountians, it has plains and valley like (khyber pass) that people can easily pass through.
I agree, Afghanistan is a strong canidate due to terrain and over all location.  I also think the religion of the Aryans must have been a variety (or varities) of shamanism.
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What we need to find Airyanem Vaejah? There was a mountain - Hara Berezaiti or High Hara. Close to the mountain was a sea, called Vourukasha in the Avesta, where the "Tree of All Seeds" grew. Coursing down the mountain, or near it, was a mighty river. Of course before 7000 years climate and topography were different. We need a sea, and there is no sea in Afghanistan or Central Asia. Maybe Aral sea could play some role? Other thing-too cold climate (ten months of winter). I am inclined to reject Central Asia and Afghanistan. I have a feeling that this place was far from the place where the Avesta was written. As I said many times in this forum the climate of Central Asia and Iranian plateau 2000 years ago and more, was much more humid than today.
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Originally posted by balochii

^ whats the location of this?
 
It is difficult to find the exact location but it was certainly too far from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and other regions where Aryans migrated to later, I myself believe the first land was Gotland, then Poland, Ukrine, Southern Russia, Central Asia, ...
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some one on another forum made this point about aryans and indo europeans:
 
Yes the diversity is a fact now and for hundred years may be thousands of years ago in India but this people called Aryans have well existed and when did they came to India and from where ? my opinion is they were Iranians or a relative tribes to the Indo Iranians I see as well the Kassites or some tribe of the Mitanni south Caspian sea south Caucasus this is why the genetic shows this relation with Caucasus the Y haplogroup alone or the mt one is not significant we can to calculate the diversity and look at the autosomal patterns anyway these Indo Aryans were civilized before their migration and I think they have a relation ship to some near east civilizations as for example the Hurrians I think this is not some barbarian tribes from the steppe who came with horses and the Sanskrit and the Vedas this is to much civilized for barbarians? look at the German tribes who had no writing compared to the Sanskrit ! this is quite mysterious is not it ? the origin of this people ? as well the Indo European homeland nobody knows where is it ?




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^ this is a good point he is making. Aryans were already a civilized people. Nomads from the steppe all of a sudden civilizing and making civilizations in Iran/north india doesnt make sense.
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Originally posted by balochii

^ this is a good point he is making. Aryans were already a civilized people. Nomads from the steppe all of a sudden civilizing and making civilizations in Iran/north india doesnt make sense.
Originally posted by balochii

I think they have a relation ship to some near east civilizations as for example the Hurrians I think this is not some barbarian tribes from the steppe who came with horses and the Sanskrit and the Vedas this is to much civilized for barbarians?
 
What is the diversion rate for the huge variety of indo European languages in Europe?  I think we are looking at a far earlier migration, way before civilization or the domestication of animals.  The original aryans were hunter gatherers. Instead of riding horese or traveling in chariots, they walked.
 
After a period of time, they later became civilized and developed localized cultures / religions (Vedic in India)


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Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

What we need to find Airyanem Vaejah? There was a mountain - Hara Berezaiti or High Hara.
 
You know about the sound changes in the Iranian languages, for example English "gold" is Persian "zard", the Geramnic name of that Avestan word and Persian Aleborz could be Haleberg or Aleberg, and "berg" means "mountain" in the Germanic languages, as you read in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mountains_of_Sweden there are two mountains with the same name in Sweden.
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Ancient 'ARYANS' who migrated to Europe and India were Kurds from Kurdistan.

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Ancient 'ARYANS' who migrated to Europe and India were Kurds from Kurdistan.
 
 
That's interesting.  I assume that you have sources for this.  Could you share them with us?
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Ancient 'ARYANS' who migrated to Europe and India were Kurds from Kurdistan.
 
That's interesting.  I assume that you have sources for this.  Could you share them with us?
Sure, have you never heard about the Anatolian Hypothesis of ARYAN people? But I think It was earlier than 7000 BC. I Think it was even before 10,000 B.C. 
 
 
 
The Anatolian hypothesis’ main proponent was Colin Renfrew, who in 1987 suggested a peaceful Indo-Europeanization of Europe from Anatolia from around 7000 BC with the advance of farming by demic diffusion ("wave of advance"). Accordingly, most of the inhabitants of Neolithic EuropeNeolithic EuropeNeolithic Europe refers to a prehistoric period in which Neolithic technology was present in Europe. This corresponds roughly to a time between 7000 BC and ca. 1700 BC... would have spoken Indo-European languages, and later migrations would at best have replaced these Indo-European varieties with other Indo-European varieties.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by MediaWarLord

Originally posted by red clay

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Ancient 'ARYANS' who migrated to Europe and India were Kurds from Kurdistan.
 
That's interesting.  I assume that you have sources for this.  Could you share them with us?
Sure, have you never heard about the Anatolian Hypothesis of ARYAN people? But I think It was earlier than 7000 BC. I Think it was even before 10,000 B.C. 
 
 
 
The Anatolian hypothesis’ main proponent was Colin Renfrew, who in 1987 suggested a peaceful Indo-Europeanization of Europe from Anatolia from around 7000 BC with the advance of farming by demic diffusion ("wave of advance"). Accordingly, most of the inhabitants of Neolithic EuropeNeolithic EuropeNeolithic Europe refers to a prehistoric period in which Neolithic technology was present in Europe. This corresponds roughly to a time between 7000 BC and ca. 1700 BC... would have spoken Indo-European languages, and later migrations would at best have replaced these Indo-European varieties with other Indo-European varieties.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
etc.

Clap Copy & Pasting is amendable, but you still have not proven or provided sources that 'ARYANS' or Proto-Indo-Europeans were Kurds from Kurdistan...
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Main plan correspond to something else.That someone have migrated since the dawn of civilizations.Were We those people?Question you have to answer is:Where did the rest of population had come?
  Right to be first on territories of earth was invented by Empires and were implemented inside first property law of Rome.This is premise why history have to look like it looks?Natives that lost there lands according New history never owned there own land cause "were aliens"!
   Aryans theory gives right to their masters to proof their "superiority among the humans".Nothing here
looks different than racism.Mars and Moon wait for Aryans and take care about yourself?




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Well it makes more sense than the Kurgan or Central Asia  Hypothesis. Well, the European Hypothesis doesn't make any sense at all.
And it has nothing to do with racism. I'm just interested in a true story of the human migration.
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