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    Posted: 13-Dec-2013 at 20:38
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But Ollios, Istanbul cannot be where you circled it in RED! I am assuming that the Black Sea is at the bottom of the map? Thus Constantinople would be at the beginning of the water connection (on the left side) rather than at the end of it on the right side.


Yes, Black Sea is bottom. Right side is True. It is Thrace. There were many cities on the north side (Thrace) of Marmara sea and also there were many cities between Marmara-Aegean strait but not big cities at north without Constantinople. Is there any other long name in that region?
and it looks also Kostantino, but you are right it looks like İstanbul has coast near the Blacksea instead of Marmara, but it is really tiny mistake near Greece, Denmark and Italy shapes Big smile 

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Is the large green area a lake? Certainly there exists no great lakes anywhere near this area today.

There are three large lakes near the Marmara. but I think this is the one which is in the map. Nicae/İznik Lake. There aren't any great Medieval cities near other two of themhttp://yunus.hacettepe.edu.tr/~kerime09/resimler/949e1fc7d5fb7835c43774617910a758.jpg
http://web.cs.hacettepe.edu.tr/~abc/fun/picgallery/turkey/Uzaydan_marmara.jpg
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Is Mt. Beykos listed anywhere on the map?

Accually there is no great mt near the İstanbul. The highest point of the city is 500m

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Here is one; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heraclea-Pontica.png But it cannot be the one you mentioned.

Yes, That Heraclea. Why it can't be?



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Well! It is well to the East of the connection of Europe to Asia, and located on the Black Sea!

Look Ollios! You need to look at some real time maps of the straights that connect the Aegean Sea to the Black Sea! Things just do not fit in your reports. Is there any way to post the entire site in an enlarged form, segment by segment, whereby anyone, including me, can follow the entirety of the map, part by part?

By the way Mt. Beykos is the highest point on the narrow "river" that runs from Constantinople North to the Black Sea.

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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Dec-2013 at 08:49
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Look Ollios! You need to look at some real time maps of the straights that connect the Aegean Sea to the Black Sea!


Turkey is 3 times bigger than UK so I can't know every things(I am not the god) but I was born in a town which is located in south side of Marmara and I am living İstanbul which is located in north side of Marmara, so I mean that I have self-confidence  about this subject

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Things just do not fit in your reports.


Can you be more clear, which things don't fit?

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By the way Mt. Beykos is the highest point on the narrow "river" that runs from Constantinople North to the Black Sea.


As I said before, there is no mountains in İstanbul. But North Side of the Bosphorus has many hills which is near the seahttp://www.visit2istanbul.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/beykoz-istanbul.jpg

as Joshua Hill in Beykoz(a name of the districtBig smile, probably came from your Mt.)  which is ancient pagan place for Posidon/Zeus, Yoros castle is also close place
http://www.tarihnotlari.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/yusa-tepesi.jpg

but these are really low places so why they should be in world map?

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your map (red point is historical Istanbul, inside the city walls)


Look at how narrow is the Bosphorus in this historical map


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Dec-2013 at 15:17
Ollios! Thanks for the above work, I merely think we are just having a problem communicating in English.

But, here is an inter-active reproduction of the ancient map. Here you can ZOOM up close and easily read the names of the cities and towns lining the Bosporus. Istambol can be easily seen as can Heraklia!
Maybe you can learn something and as a result so can I?

SEE; http://zoom.it/wzBY

During my inspection of this map, I have only discovered three objects that represent man-made structures. One is the Lighthouse at Alexandria, Egypt, and the other two are located way to the East, ant the map intersection of VII and III and IV. One looks like a defensive tower, and the other looks like a gigantic circular wheel with gear teeth, perhaps a great defensive wall? They are located near one another. I find the lack of notable structures shown on the map as strange.

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Maybe this will reveal the other two manmade structures?

http://zoom.it/wzBY

Nope, but they exist to the corner of the map, going south east.

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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2013 at 03:10
Originally posted by opuslola

Ollios! Thanks for the above work, I merely think we are just having a problem communicating in English.


Probably, my english skill isn't as good as my geography Big smile

Originally posted by opuslola


But, here is an inter-active reproduction of the ancient map. Here you can ZOOM up close and easily read the names of the cities and towns lining the Bosporus. Istambol can be easily seen as can Heraklia!
Maybe you can learn something and as a result so can I?

SEE; http://zoom.it/wzBY


My objection is true according to your map, how can you find this interactive map? Well done Clap


Here is my results and names are coming from this order: English-Turkish-Map

Rome - Roma - Ruma


London - Londra - Lond?


Jeddah - Cidde - Gidda
Makkah - Mekke - Mekka



Mosul - Musul - Al Mosul
Amed - Amed(normaly Diyarbakır) - Amid
Nusaybin - Nusaybin - Nisibin

Rivers
Euphrates - Fırat - Al Frat
Tigris - Dicle - Al Digla



Athens - Atina - Atin



Red
Cyprus - Kıbrıs - Kibros
Nicosia - Lefkoşe - Lafkisia
Kyrneia - Girne - Kornebia

Blue - Ancient Kilikia
Antioch - Antakya - Antakiu
Alexandrette - İskenderun - İskenderuna
Adana - Adana - Adana
Tarsus - Tarsus - Tarsus
Antalya - Antalya - Antalia



Konstantinople - İstanbul - Al Konstantina
Nicea - İznik - Al Nikiu

we have been talked about Heraklia in Blacksea the other cities

Selymbria - Silivri - Salimra
Heraclea (or Perinthos) - Marmara Ereğlisi - Heraklia
Rodosto - Tekirdağ - Rudostu

and Banados ancient city which is actually too close to Tekirdağ. Now it is know with Barbaros neighbourhood of Tekirdağ, its old names are Banados or Parnados



so is there any question or any city where you ask me to look?
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2013 at 16:29
I ask you to look as any good historian should look! Look for things that are correct, and for anything that is incorrect. Be inquisitive, just how many names are different from what you thought they would be, etc.! Use other maps to see if things have changed a lot.

Check out the Far East, where I found two more structures with names I cannot recognize.

It looks like there are numerous places named Herakila/Heraclea, etc.! Why?

By the way, you wrote these words; " Joshua Hill in Beykoz(a name of the districtBig smile, probably came from your Mt.) which is ancient pagan place for Posidon/Zeus, Yoros castle is also close place."

Just what do you personally know about "Joshua Hill?" in Beykoz?

Do you know some people call it "Jesus' Hill?", after all the real name of JEsus was Joshua? What do you know of the great grave there? Etc.

By the way, I have been to Istanbul one time, via a cruise ship, and loved it.

Regards, Ron

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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2013 at 17:18
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Check out the Far East, where I found two more structures with names I cannot recognize.


I have one long shot from this map, there is tower on the mountains which is located on east side of some lakes. But still I can't read it
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Fra_Mauro_World_Map,_c.1450.jpg

Originally posted by opuslola


It looks like there are numerous places named Herakila/Heraclea, etc.! Why?


There are many Heraklia between Greek colonies, this is not odd

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Just what do you personally know about "Joshua Hill?" in Beykoz?

Do you know some people call it "Jesus' Hill?", after all the real name of JEsus was Joshua? What do you know of the great grave there? Etc.

By the way, I have been to Istanbul one time, via a cruise ship, and loved it.

Regards, Ron


I have been visited once, because of my grandmom, the place has been holy since ancient Greece LOL . There is the Tomb of Saint Joshua on the hill. According to legends, he was really, really and really tall Wink

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Yes, that is the tomb and the place!

Thanks for the great photo!

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Originally posted by opuslola

Check out the Far East, where I found two more structures with names I cannot recognize.

I have one long shot from this map, there is tower on the mountains which is located on east side of some lakes. But still I can't read ithttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Fra_Mauro_World_Map,_c.1450.jpg
Originally posted by opuslola

It looks like there are numerous places named Herakila/Heraclea, etc.! Why?


There are many Heraklia between Greek colonies, this is not odd
Originally posted by opuslola

Just what do you personally know about "Joshua Hill?" in Beykoz?

Do you know some people call it "Jesus' Hill?", after all the real name of JEsus was Joshua? What do you know of the great grave there? Etc.

By the way, I have been to Istanbul one time, via a cruise ship, and loved it.

Regards, Ron
I have been visited once, because of my grandmom, the place has been holy since ancient Greece LOL . There is the Tomb of Saint Joshua on the hill. According to legends, he was really, really and really tall Wink


What a great map of the world ca. 1450? Just where did you find this great map Ollios?

But, of course neither of us can read one word of it! Laugh!

But, perhaps there exist some persons with a better knowledge of languages, such as our own Cyrus, who might be able to help both of us decipher both of these great maps?

So how about it Cyrus?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Fra_Mauro_World_Map,_c.1450.jpg

Regards, Ron

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Ollios! From both maps, there are a few things that I cannot explain. First, there seems to be no representation of the Great Wall of China or any pyramids either in Egypt or China, where there exists hundreds.

The question is WHY? There are only two reasons for such a lack of mention. Either the authors of these maps had no knowledge of them, or perhaps, neither existed when the maps were made!!

What is your opinion? Or what is the opinion of any other of our esteemed members, such as Cyrus?

One must notice that in the last map example, the Far East is better illustrated than the West! Again, why?

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Again the same question arises! Just why were these greatest structures of our race/'humanism, are not ever mentioned or even listed within the adventures of one of our greatest adventurous historians?
Just a question that needs more investigation?

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there is 2 very big  island in caspian sea near turkmenistan shore which dose not exist ! 
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There is a high resolution copy of the original book at French National Library.
You can zoom in and see all titles on the map:
http://i.imgur.com/oJniw9N.jpg

The original is in Arabic, so what we see on Wikipedia image is some sort
of transliteration made from the original.

The page that shows bahr al hazar is here:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000547t/f547.item.r=.langEN.zoom

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Originally posted by yomud

there is 2 very big  island in caspian sea near turkmenistan shore which dose not exist ! 

Yomud wasn't here but

There were some islands in all ancient maps

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Originally posted by yomud

there is 2 very big  island in caspian sea near turkmenistan shore which dose not exist ! 
Yomud was not here but, 

All ancient maps show islands near Turkmenistan

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