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    Posted: 15-Nov-2010 at 15:49
Originally posted by opuslola

Based upon the above (if it is correct?), I then, rest my case! Concerning, that is, my mention that some science believes that the Neanderthals merely were merged into modern mankind!
It looks like you are right.  And then figure that up to 4% of our DNA is a relatively large amount.  It also looks like human and neandertal mixes were fairly common and that mixed individuals were not sterile.
 
Its kind of ironic, some Europeans accused Africans of not being fully human, yet Africans have 100% human DNA and the Europeans are the ones with measurable amounts non human DNA.


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2010 at 16:46
Looking around, Gods, have mixed there blood even with animals...Zeus makes love with Europa(result=have not seen cow that sing/speak)...and you know...Goats are still on edge of extinction...Good that people leave the highlands...But pushing the story about Neandhertals  and other deviated human links,tendentious, we have just that....INtention to say:People we are not the same...We are superior but you are lower species becouse we have not same ancestors...
I beleive that,Neandhertal stories, had their roots in racisam...exept their real existing,that is fact...


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2010 at 23:18
Cryptic, you seem to have written, some what cryptically!

"Its kind of ironic, some Europeans accused Africans of not being fully human, yet Africans have 100% human DNA and the Europeans are the ones with measurable amounts non human DNA."

If the DNA is found in N. Europeans then the DNA must be "Human" and not "non human" as you wrote!

It is much like saying that a horse, that has mixed seed, with a African Horse is not still a horse!

"A horse is a horse of course of course.."

One might well suggest that the so called Neanderthal might well have been outnumbered by 96 to one, when the mass intermixture occured?

Perhaps it was the Neanders that had sterility problems?




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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 02:47
Much more imunity problems i suppose..when,glaciers have melted, "He" meet units developed in conditions with high concentrations,and mutations,of viruses,bacterias,and just gone...Even if the represive scenario can be included...Near past tells us that americas population,after Columbus-Pissarro-Cortes,lost 90% of population...reason was not power or arms of people above...but small army of viruses and bacteria that escort them...
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 09:56
I thought I had brought this up, guess not.
 
There are several factors that haven't been explored yet.  One is the Mt. Toba eruption.  TGS touched on it but didn't realize it.
Geneticists have long known about a "genetic bottleneck".  Indicating a reduction of humans to as few as a thousand individuals worldwide.  It's only been in recent years that knowledge of the eruption has been confirmed.  Toba erupted approx. 70,000 ybp.  That fits in perfectly with the timing on the bottleneck.
The second factor is still being discussed in the science comm.  Scientists in Australia have found a grouping of human remains dated some 40,000 ypb that have no direct connection to any living human.   This is bringing a new theory forward and that is called, "Regional Continuity". 
They have been able to map both the human and Neanderthal DNA using using samples from a neander dated to 35,000 ybp.  I don't know if this is possible, but, I would like to see a sample of both human and neander dna taken from remains dated from before the Toba eruption.
 
If humans were reduced to less than a thousand, I can't imagine Neander. doing much better.  Interbreeding may have been vital to survival of both species.
 
 
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  Quote BIG D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 13:27
Originally posted by red clay

I thought I had brought this up, guess not.
 
There are several factors that haven't been explored yet.  One is the Mt. Toba eruption.  TGS touched on it but didn't realize it.
Geneticists have long known about a "genetic bottleneck".  Indicating a reduction of humans to as few as a thousand individuals worldwide.  It's only been in recent years that knowledge of the eruption has been confirmed.  Toba erupted approx. 70,000 ybp.  That fits in perfectly with the timing on the bottleneck.
The second factor is still being discussed in the science comm.  Scientists in Australia have found a grouping of human remains dated some 40,000 ypb that have no direct connection to any living human.   This is bringing a new theory forward and that is called, "Regional Continuity". 
They have been able to map both the human and Neanderthal DNA using using samples from a neander dated to 35,000 ybp.  I don't know if this is possible, but, I would like to see a sample of both human and neander dna taken from remains dated from before the Toba eruption.
 
If humans were reduced to less than a thousand, I can't imagine Neander. doing much better.  Interbreeding may have been vital to survival of both species.
 
 
regional continuity brings this idea to mind, wouldn't geographic isolation develope communities that are different in most aspects???
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 14:37
All our facts are just like ,We together, are part of Lazarus project...Just like that,we have to beleive
that everything happens just like we are talking about...we are missing something...fact that is such unbelievable= that after last Vulcano or celestial body impact, people start to be civilizied...Even if the geenes say that people are same, like before 70000 years,also millions of years before ...What did prevent them to be  civilizied before? 
  Please do not push extraterrestrials  here...I accept extraterestrial impact only like microorganizams that are falling maybe every day on earth...But they are here billions of years...humans are part of a second...
ape like...part of that part, like humans...
   Sorry about grammaar...interpunction signs...my everyday language is not english m8...and i expose ideas...do not intent on Pulitzer prize...

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 15:00
Answer to medenaywe! Because of Language and writing!
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 15:35
I would also again suggest that my "out of the Sea Floor" solution seems to fulfill most all of the requirements of the "out of Africa" solution!

For example, just where in the world have the furtherest remains of the so called Neanderthal, been found? Are not most of them found within 100 miles or so from our current seas?
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 15:49
but only costal area of atlantic...and mediteranian spain,france...that during the last glacial period were separated, by high mountains,water,ice  from the rest of the world...But the biggest Wall was ,i beleive,deviations that distinguished them so much from humans that everybody avoid them...
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2010 at 18:28
If all of those North of the Med. avoided them, does that mean that Neanderthal was made up of "Dark Skinned" men and women?

After all, they were "Out of Africa?"

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Nov-2010 at 09:37
Originally posted by medenaywe

All our facts are just like ,We together, are part of Lazarus project...Just like that,we have to beleive
that everything happens just like we are talking about...we are missing something...fact that is such unbelievable= that after last Vulcano or celestial body impact, people start to be civilizied...Even if the geenes say that people are same, like before 70000 years,also millions of years before ...What did prevent them to be  civilizied before? 
  Please do not push extraterrestrials  here...I accept extraterestrial impact only like microorganizams that are falling maybe every day on earth...But they are here billions of years...humans are part of a second...
ape like...part of that part, like humans...
   Sorry about grammaar...interpunction signs...my everyday language is not english m8...and i expose ideas...do not intent on Pulitzer prize...
 
 
Who's to say that they weren't civilized?  Toba erupted approx. 77,000 ybp.  In some places the ash deposit reached 30 ft in depth.  It could easily have buried any signs of civilization.  In several locations in Asia and Central Europe they have found "anomalous artifacts", Nano tech. in the form of watch like mechanisms and other advanced forms of manufacture.  They call them "Ooparts", out of place artifacts.  They are commonly found at a level that would date them at +100,000 ybp.
 
If our civilization rose in a mere 10,000 years, whose to say it hasn't happened before? 100,000 years is not even a blink in geologic time.  Aliens? Ets?  Why is it so hard to believe that we could do all of this ourselves, without help from an ET?  The History channel is running a show called Ancient Aliens.  Most, if not all of the examples they show of an advanced tech. being transferred to humans, could have easily existed from an advanced civilization in our past.  Let go of the Bible. Forget 6,000 years.  Skip the human "we are as good as it gets" attitude.  There is much we don't yet know.
 
Med.-  Don't worry about your English grammer. Your doing fine.  English even as a first language is tough enough.  I'm still having trouble with it after 63 years. Big smile


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Nov-2010 at 16:57
Dear Red, there is a lot that I will agree with in this statement of yours;

"If our civilization rose in a mere 10,000 years, whose to say it hasn't happened before? 100,000 years is not even a blink in geologic time. Aliens? Ets? Why is it so hard to believe that we could do all of this ourselves, without help from an ET? The History channel is running a show called Ancient Aliens. Most, if not all of the examples they show of an advanced tech. being transferred to humans, could have easily existed from an advanced civilization in our past. Let go of the Bible. Forget 6,000 years. Skip the human "we are as good as it gets" attitude. There is much we don't yet know."

THERE CERTAINLY IS "MUCH WE DON'T YET KNOW!"

I don't use caps to avoid things, I use them to YELL!

And I am yelling to you!


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2011 at 21:58
As some support for my theory, I now present all of you to this;

http://www.gadling.com/2011/01/24/deep-sea-hunter-fishes-underwater-for-five-minutes/?icid=maing%257Cmain5%257Cdl4%257Csec1_lnk1%257C39094

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 10:24
Originally posted by opuslola

As some support for my theory, I now present all of you to this;

http://www.gadling.com/2011/01/24/deep-sea-hunter-fishes-underwater-for-five-minutes/?icid=maing%257Cmain5%257Cdl4%257Csec1_lnk1%257C39094

I hope now you can understand my position?
 
 
 
Hope springs infernal.  Your being a little vague, and based on what you've posted, no, I don't see your point. 
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2011 at 21:09
Dear red,

I guess it (my point) comes from an old book that I am very fond of, the name of the book is "The Naked Ape", by Desmond Morris!

Early man, by virtue of his "naked" skin (for the most part, at least compared to all members of the Ape and Monkey families) originated, posssibly, in areas of shallow seas or lakes, etc., and in mostly mild climatic conditions! Quite possibly, in my invented world, those very conditions existed in the shallow seas found when the Med, and the Black, and possibly the Red Sea, amongst others, existed?

High atmospheric pressure, high oxygen levels?, low radiation, warm temps, shallow seas, almost hairless skins, like seals/whales, etc.!
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2011 at 02:30
History always says about flood that happens in Black Sea,Red sea or somewhere about Arabic Peninsula and India.Looking the map of the world my mind create picture of something else:Small lake was flooded
and Mediterranean sea originated.What if Gibraltar gate did this?After that Dardanelles and Bosphorus gates
were broken and seas that we know today were created.
   We need much better screenplay than this one.Underwater archeology will give us artifacts about this.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jan-2011 at 20:06
It would make one hell of a movie, however!
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jan-2011 at 02:44
Hollywood and Bollywood  production will work together to create such a big pool.Water will come from
North Pole like iceberg.
   Will borrow title for this film from post above "Hell of a movie".LOL
           


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It could well be a "Hell of a Movie?" Just imagine, if you can, a group of proto-humans living upon the bottm of the Mediteranean Sea, whilst a well watered N. Africa, which of course meant that their were a lot more rivers leading to the vertically deep, but shallow and briney seas on the bottom!

Just imagine the cascade of fresh waters falling thousands of feet down the steep marine walls? During flood season, which might well have never ended in those times, imagine that literally thousands of animals, like Hippos, etc., were literally washed over the edge into the abyss?

Manna from Heaven, so to speak! And, as well there must have literally been thousands of fresh water springs coming forth from these steep and high walls!

Just imagine, every day, maybe, literally hundreds of animals and fresh water fish, were washed down these cataracts of water falls, onto or into a very briney/salty shallow sea, that almost immediately kept the meat fresh!

Just drag it out, cut it up, and eat it!

The original fast food!

Hanging Gardens (We can only imagine just what plant and animal life might have grabed hold of its pearch upon these steep and well watered walls), indeed! The real "Garden of Eden!"

But, this is, so far, merely my story, and I am sticking to it!

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