Invasions and Foreign Immigration to Europe

Originally posted by opuslola Dear Sander! Did you ever notice as strange that all of their outposts were supposedly in the Western part of the Med.? Why have none of their remains ever been found in the East? Or maybe I should have said in the North East of the Med. area? regards,

So, you all agree with the dating of Egyptian Kingdoms! And, you agree that Ramesses II (numerous spellings of this name exist) fought both with and against the Peoples of the Sea (Sea People) who came from Greece and some Islands, and were in part Mycenean Greeks, etc.! This of course indicates that these were a great sea faring group and if any Phoenicians were around they were afraid of these Greek or Pelagic warriors, and possibly avoided them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

"Phoenician civilization was an enterprising maritime trading culture that spread across the Mediterranean during the period 1550 BC to 300 BC. Though ancient boundaries of such city-centered cultures fluctuated, the city of Tyre seems to have been the southernmost. Sarepta (modern day Sarafand) between Sidon and Tyre, is the most thoroughly excavated city of the Phoenician homeland. The Phoenicians often traded by means of a galley, a man-powered sailing vessel, and are credited with the invention of the bireme.[4]"

According to the above, the Phoenicians were great sailors and tradsmen since 1,550 BCE, which might well be a good deal before any Mycenaean ever set foot on a war vessel!

And again the Wiki site says; "In terms of archaeology, language, and religion, there is little to set the Phoenicians apart as markedly different from other cultures of Canaan. They were Canaanites. They are unique in their remarkable seafaring achievements. In the Amarna tablets of the 14th century BC they call themselves Kenaani or Kinaani (Canaanites). Note, however, that the Amarna letters predate the invasion of the Sea Peoples by over a century. Much later in the 6th century BC, Hecataeus of Miletus writes that Phoenicia was formerly called χνα, a name Philo of Byblos later adopted into his mythology as his eponym for the Phoenicians: 'Khna who was afterwards called Phoinix'. Egyptian seafaring expeditions had already been made to Byblos to bring back "cedars of Lebanon" as early as the third millennium BC."

You also have to consent to the very existance of the Trojan War, as we know it, as well as agree that the very site of Troy was actually found by H. Schliemann! But, just what evidence has ever been shown that this actually was the city of Troy? And, just what occupation level is the one spoken of in Homer's verbal epic? This is still argued today?

So, it seems I do not totally agree with either of you on this subject!

Regards,

Edited by opuslola - 16-Mar-2010 at 12:52

Originally posted by Ëperom Thank you. Of course, Cro-Magnons arrived much later that Neanderthals. You could even say that Neanderthals are the "original Europeans", though it would be sort of weird, because they were not exactly humans. Cro-Magnons were the first modern humans to arrive Europe.