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    Posted: 20-May-2010 at 15:42
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Ahhh Death Panels for a socialised Health Care System. We've had a socialised health care system here in the UK for 60 years, but as of yet no death panels. Why must you therefore have them in the US?
 
 
There are no such things.  The death panel thing is entirely fictitious and you can thank Sarah Palin for that one.  That pile of, came directly from her camp. 
 
After listening to this crap for a long time, one can be tempted to use the old right wing, If you don't like it, leave.
Obama is our legally elected President, and by the way, Hawaii did release his Birth Cert. his whole cert.  To my knowledge that is the only one.  well over 60% of the voting public voted for him.  That's a hell of a lot more than what the shrub won by.
[It came down to a few thousand votes, and the stolen election in Ohio.  It was almost a 50-50 split, but the shrub declared it a mandate.
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So, as you can see, these states are LOSING money, how do you propose you'll live in Mississippi without the blue states supporting your state economy?

Also, please answer this question:

Why does and why has the United States been supporting "Nazi/fascist/communist" countries such as the ones in Europe, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Canada, etc.. for over 60 years? Germany is the worst! They just dont learn do they? They have a social market economy (look it up, I know you dont know what that is), why are we supporting such a fascist/Nazi/communist state?

Oh by the way Opuslola, did you know that the state of health care is so bad in Mississippi that they are actually taking advice and learning from the Iranian health care system, WHICH IS ALSO GOVERNMENT RUN?


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DreamWeaver, who is some what of an outsider in this conversation, wrote;

"Ahhh Death Panels for a socialised Health Care System. We've had a socialised health care system here in the UK for 60 years, but as of yet no death panels. Why must you therefore have them in the US?"

I propose that "death panels" are already a part of your health care programme! When it comes to waiting times, and authorization, etc., already many of your elders, are already committed to 'death"!

But, you should have some examples readily available to prove me wrong?

But, perhaps we should not compare America and Great Britain?

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Originally posted by opuslola


I propose that "death panels" are already a part of your health care programme! When it comes to waiting times, and authorization, etc., already many of your elders, are already committed to 'death"!

But, you should have some examples readily available to prove me wrong?

But, perhaps we should not compare America and Great Britain?


No, you are the one making the claim that death panels exist, YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR CLAIM, he doesnt have to prove you wrong.

Also, answer my question!


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Wow! TGS actually posted the following statements!

From an old movie; "The Gods must be Crazy!", it must be?

"Why does and why has the United States been supporting "Nazi/fascist/communist" countries such as the ones in Europe, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Canada, etc.. for over 60 years? Germany is the worst! They just dont learn do they? They have a social market economy (look it up, I know you dont know what that is), why are we supporting such a fascist/Nazi/communist state?

Oh by the way Opuslola, did you know that the state of health care is so bad in Mississippi that they are actually taking advice and learning from the Iranian health care system, WHICH IS ALSO GOVERNMENT RUN?"

Dear TGS, do you not recognize that the entire European Community, which is based upon the "Euro" is on the verge of collapse? Even Germany feels it is so? Why do you not?

Besides, friends are where one finds them, and the Euro's have technically been friends of the USA, especially since WW-II! Thus it is better to have friends who embrace you as such, than try to win friends from those who basically hate you! It is sometimes called "common sense!"

And, your claim that Mississippi is examining the Iranian Health Care Plan to use as a basis of something?

Just whom in Mississippi is reportedly investigating the great health system of Iran? Do you think Cyrus, would agree with you?

Get a life!


But, I mean that in the best way!

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By the way, TGS, this is your "profile!" Note, that I consider you as a coward for your failure to release any information at all about you and where to find you, etc.!

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So, if you were a new member, just whom would you trust!

Actually, I might well be the most honest and outright findable person on this entire site! Maybe that would make me a "Liberal?" But you, like so many others on this site, hide in the darkness of their minds, revealing nothing at all worthwile about themselves!

Cowards are most of you!

Every place where my profile says "not given" means that I do not have them! Every one! How about the rest of you?

I even have no idea what these questions even mean?

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Originally posted by opuslola



Dear TGS, do you not recognize that the entire European Community, which is based upon the "Euro" is on the verge of collapse? Even Germany feels it is so? Why do you not?


Hey, I think Opuslola is pretending to me an economic expert today.LOL

The Euro is not on the verge of collapse. Opuslola, STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Europe's economic problems are tied into the world economic problems, which started in the United States, and of which EVERY nation is suffering from. And the US is also suffering just as much as Europe is, it has nothing to do with Europe's system, it has to do with a global economic crisis which has hit every country hard, THE US BEING AMONGST THE COUNTRIES IT HAS HIT THE HARDEST.

Germany, the UK, and France's problem doesnt have to do with their own internal problems, it has to do with a member of the European Union, Greece, which is full of corruption and mismanagement.

Hey Opuslola, do you actually check the news or try to keep yourself informed in any way shape or form? Just curious.

Keep embarrassing yourself, I really dont mind, just re-enforces everything I have come to know and believe about conservatives.

Originally posted by opuslola


Besides, friends are where one finds them, and the Euro's have technically been friends of the USA, especially since WW-II! Thus it is better to have friends who embrace you as such, than try to win friends from those who basically hate you! It is sometimes called "common sense!"


Ok, so our friends are nazis/fascists/communists? I thought those guys were our enemies. Confused All these countries are evil, we shouldnt be allies with countries that have universal health care, we're the good ones, we arent nazi's/fascists/commie's, our health care sucks, and we love it like that!LOL

Originally posted by opuslola


And, your claim that Mississippi is examining the Iranian Health Care Plan to use as a basis of something?

Just whom in Mississippi is reportedly investigating the great health system of Iran? Do you think Cyrus, would agree with you?


Ah, once again Opuslola praises us with his ignorance:

Deep South calls in Iran to cure its health blues


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6962844.ece

An Iranian remedy for Mississippi?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-01-28/news/1001271310_1_health-workers-united-states-and-iran-health-care

Illness is their common enemy

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/25/nation/la-na-mississippi-iran25-2010jan25

Would you like more sources?

Oh man, I wish I could see the look on your face as you realize that your beloved conservative red state is getting help from a country that's religion is Islam, a "A 7th Century Death Cult Coughed Up By A Psychotic Pedophile" as described by a Tea Party leader (source: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/tea_party_leader_islam_is_a_7th_century_death_cult.php )

Originally posted by opuslola

By the way, TGS, this is your "profile!" Note, that I consider you as a coward for your failure to release any information at all about you and where to find you, etc.!


I dont have to, therefore I wont. You can do whatever you want with your profile, I dont care, frankly, I never even checked it. You seem to be obsessed with mine.


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Would I like more sources? Yes of course, keep your sources "rolling down the river!"

But, as regards one of your sources above, which says;

"A US doctor and a development consultant visited Iran in May to study a primary healthcare system that has cut infant mortality by more than two-thirds since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

Then, in October, five top Iranian doctors, including a senior official at the health ministry in Tehran, were quietly brought to Mississippi to advise on how the system could be implemented there.

The Mississippi Delta has some of the worst health statistics in the country, including infant mortality rates for non-whites at Third World levels.

“It’s time to look for a new model,” said Dr Aaron Shirley, one of the state’s leading health campaigners.

“Forty years ago, when I was a resident at Jackson hospital, I was in charge of admitting sick babies and was astonished at all the children coming in from the delta with diarrhoea, meningitis, pneumonia.

“After years of health research and expenditure of millions of dollars, nothing much has changed.”

As the House of Representatives and Senate weigh the cost of President Barack Obama’s health reforms, Shirley points out that good primary care prevents people from ending up in hospital in the first place."

So, very secretively, five Iranian doctors were given Visas by the State Department to visit Mississippi to solve a health problem!


Will the above information be verified by the Dept.of State, or the White House? Every one with a brain knows the reason for the sad state of affairs in the Mississippi Delta! Stupidity! And, after all of those millions of Federal dollars poured into the area "nothing much has changed!", is your sources quote!

Wonder why?




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The Muslims are taking over Opuslola, they took the Miss USA pageant, they're building a mosque in New York, now they're reforming your beloved Mississippi health care. What are you going to do now? You gonna move to Arizona where they're good at keeping minorities in check? This probably wouldnt happen over there.LOL

I bet Opuslola never thought he'd see the day that his beloved conservative mississippi would ever be asking a country like Iran for help with its health care. Oh, and obviously investing money into a health care system that is already broken isnt going to work, thats why we had HEALTH CARE REFORM.

Oh, and you obviously have an internet connection, so use it. A good search engine is www.google.com, or you can use www.yahoo.com, and if you dont like either, go for www.bing.com.

Type in "Iran health care Mississippi" or any combination of the words, you'll find as many sources as you want.


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I honestly think that TGS listens or watches Glenn Beck on a regular basis! Good show! Note you can read "good show" two ways, one is the British term, and the other is that Glenn Beck, really puts on a "good show!"

However these words of yours from the above post; "The Euro is not on the verge of collapse. Opuslola, STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Europe's economic problems are tied into the world economic problems, which started in the United States, and of which EVERY nation is suffering from. And the US is also suffering just as much as Europe is, it has nothing to do with Europe's system, it has to do with a global economic crisis which has hit every country hard, THE US BEING AMONGST THE COUNTRIES IT HAS HIT THE HARDEST." Could come directly from the Glenn Beck show! He has actually said almost the same words!
Wow, it seems you are learning something? I am proud of you son!

Yes, it is much like MAD, in the Atomic sense! Instead it means that our Economic leaders agreed to a version of MAD (Mutually Assured Distruction) in the economic level also!

So, here we are, mutually assured of "distruction!" You must be very proud of your self and your compatriots!

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I think you should be more worried about the Muslims that are taking over your state Opuslola, leave the politics, economics, and social discussions to people who know what they're talking about, or try to learn about the subjects you try to talk about so we can have a real meaningful discussion. Thanks.

Also, as I have mentioned before, there is no point in posting simply for the sake of posting or because you feel like you need to reply to everything, if you dont have anything to say, dont say it, by posting gibberish like the above that dont mean anything, you are simply making yourself look bad. Just a word of advice.

Also, please quote other users so its easier for us to read your posts. All you have to do is click the quote button under "post options". This will seperate your comments from the person who you are quoting, and therefore make it clear what you are say and what they said.


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Originally posted by opuslola

By the way, here is a video of Dr. Shirley;

http://vimeo.com/5915014

He is very well respected here!

So do these little things; """"""""

Oh, by the way, Fu-k your advice!

Love and kisses!


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Here is what one of the sources I found said;

"The idea of looking for solutions in Iran emerged when James Miller, a consultant based in Mississippi, was called in to advise a rural hospital in financial difficulty. He was shocked to find that the state had the third highest medical expenditure per capita, but came last in terms of outcome."

Does this not express Liberal / Progressive thought? I.E., just pour money on the subject and it will get better?

Note, please that MS reportedly "had the third highest medical expenditure per capita, but came in last in terms of outcome!"

Wow, again! Money thrown at a problem does not solve problems! Something America's Liberals and Progressives have never been able to understand!
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I propose that "death panels" are already a part of your health care programme! When it comes to waiting times, and authorization, etc., already many of your elders, are already committed to 'death"!
 
So you have no experiance of the NHS but are willing to pass judgement upon it. I see. I can assure you there are no death panels.
 
So why must your health care system, have death panesl when ours does not?
 
 
 
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