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    Posted: 28-Jul-2011 at 09:35
To finish up my train of thought, some other areas to look for further information:

First, Mani and Manichaeism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_%28prophet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ManichaeismSpread.jpg

Notice, that Augustine of Hippo "established anew the ancient Faith" and was heavily influenced by Manichaeism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

Next, the Bogomils
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomils

Spread of Bogomilism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Razvoj_bogumilstva.jpg

In the New Chronology FN this is the pagan precursor to Christianity, as reported in work of Tabov.

Finally, the Cathars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars

Another piece in the puzzle....

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Ron, thank you, for making time to look into this and I hope your reading is fruitful.
But could I ask you to please move away from vague metaphors like "son"="sun" for now and stick to what we can actually see and examine together over the Internet: icons, statues, figurines, archaeological artifacts, paintings, mosaics, and so on. I ask because New Chronology FN have found over 50 "reflections" of Christ already by studying the text data, covering this area in MINUTE detail. (Was Jesus tied to a stake or crucified? Did he have a chain around his neck? If crucified was the cross +-shaped or T-shaped? Did the nails go through the wrists or the hands? Was his right hand cut off? Was his eye damaged? Did he wear a crown of thorns? and on and on.) When you examine ALL the accounts of the Christ figure (Hebrew, Greek, Latin, English. Old Slavic, Russian, Coptic, Mormon, etc etc) comparing 40 or so different versions then the details increase exponentially and it's possible to make any argument. If we stick with material artifacts and avoid "word play" then we create a shared pool of material that everyone can refer too.




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"Several important religions and religious movements originated in Greater Iran, that is, among speakers of various Iranian languages and hence with an Iranian cultural background. Moreover, Iranians played a significant role in the development and transmission of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam."   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_religions


These include:

- Zoroastrianism (and Zurvanism or "Zurvanite Zoroastrianism") a monist dualism.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrian

- Mandaeism a gnostic monotheism that observed "Knowledge of Life".  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeism

- Manichaeism may have been influenced by Mandaeism but actually Mandaeism and Manichaeism seem to be independent – to some degree opposing – developments out of the mainstream Sabian religious community.

- Sabians a monotheistic Abrahamic religious group mentioned three times in the Quran: "the Jews, the Sabians, and the Christians.". Their identity is still a matter of discussion and investigation.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabians

- Sufism has monotheism as its practical aspect, believed in a direct perception of spiritual truth (God), through mystic practices based on divine love.  .... A great influence was exercised by Sufism upon the ethical writings of Jews in the Middle Ages.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism

 

Greco-Roman mysteries:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Roman_mysteries

- Dionysian   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysian_Mysteries

- Orphism   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphic_Mysteries

- Sabazios  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabazius

- Cybele  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele

- Isis  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis

- Mithraic mysteries  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism

 

Mithra - whose rituals formed the template for early Christinaity (e.g. the birthday of Mithras was on December 25.)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithra


Mithraism - Dress Rehearsal for Christianity   http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/Mithraism.html

MITHRAS = CHRISTIANITY?    http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html

Mithraism and Early Christianity    http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/mithraism.html

Did Christianity Steal From Mithraism?    http://www.comereason.org/cmp_rlgn/cmp070.asp

and so on... ...

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Analyzing the data

How do we proceed if we want to make sense from this mass of data? One way is to examine the iconography for stylistic and technical aspects. The artist and restorer Alexander Zhabinsky discovered many parallels in art. By arranging works of art in terms of increasing complexity in the representation Zhabinsky found that art history, as outlined by Winckelmann, fits onto a wavy line, which he called a "sine wave". His discovery is called Zhabinsky's Sinusoid. This discovery, it later turned out, could be applied not only to dating works of art, but also literature and science. Overall, the Sinusoid illustrates the artificiality of the traditional chronology. Note that the Sinusoid is within the Chronotron school of thought, which fits alongside New Chronology Fomenko Novosky and Project Civilization, as the 3 main Russian methodologies.

 

The whole of his book is available online in Russian, but some pages are in English:

http://newarthistory.eu/eng/index.html

http://newarthistory.eu/eng/index.html?raising_falls.html


For some "testing" of the idea see the following *Russian* pages:

http://chronology.org.ru/newwiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B0_%D0%96%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE

http://imperia.lirik.ru/index.php/content/view/10/7/



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I agree with everything but I don't see what Iran has every had to do with both Sufism and Christianity. Sufism caught on mostly in Turkey but to a much smaller degree in Iran. 
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Resurrecting this old thread for newer members comments if any.

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Originally posted by opuslola


You might well remember that Alexander was not reported to have attacked Constantinople / Byzant when he entered Asia Minor!

Just why would he avoid it, and also miss a very narrow passage into Asia Minor?


Was there any Persian force or land in Europe before the Alexandre journey? According to this map, father of Alexander had already taken the Thrace. It looks the first Persian land is Hellespontine Phrygia
File:Map Macedonia 336 BC-en.svg

File:Achaemenid Persian Empire Map-Greek Romanized.png

and It's capital is Daskyleion so probably Persian army was near it (the first battle is Granicus, it is very close). Alexandre sent one of his general to take the city after the battle. This city should be more important than a fishing town.


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The Battle of Granicus, is but a fable battle that is later known as the battle at the Issus, etc.! Alexander meaning according to some sources as "The Defender of Man" or "...of Muhammed?" pb.. There seems to exist information that Phillip, the father of Alexander, had laid siege Constantinople or more correctly Byzant before crossing into Asia. But, it seems that the narrow crossing at Byzant, was not to be allowed so his army had to take a great chance to cross at a differnet and more difficult place. The Persians were also forced to use the same area earlier for what might well be the same problem?   More to come!

Have to go now.

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