Abortion a human right?

Recently, in connection with the election to the EU parliament, a female politician here in Sweden said that she thinks that the right to abortion is a human right and should be considered so also internationally. Many women (and also men) here in Sweden agree with her point of view. But some people also disagree, especially religios christians.

 

What do you think, is abortion a human right or is it something bad that should be forbidden?

 

 

 

Originally posted by Carcharodon Recently, in connection with the election to the EU parliament, a female politician here in Sweden said that she thinks that the right to abortion is a human right and should be considered so also internationally. Many women (and also men) here in Sweden agree with her point of view. But some people also disagree, especially religios christians.   What do you think, is abortion a human right or is it something bad that should be forbidden?

Yes, Abortion is a human right.

Originally posted by Carcharodon Originally posted by pinguin So, you want to get into a good one, don't you?   Just interesting to hear what people think in this question.   Originally posted by pinguin Let's start.   The rigth to live is a human right.   Good so, but what if a woman gets pregnant because of a rape? Or if the bearing of a child threatens her own health or life?

I would note that only the second of your questions is salient given the gravity of pinguin's assertion.

I might drop in from time to time; we've had this conversation on here before, but I couldn't find a thread in the last year, so it is fine to open another one. I'll come back if the discussion advances beyond the simplistic, rehearsed opening statements that debates on this topic so often begin with.

-Akolouthos

Originally posted by Carcharodon Originally posted by Akolouthos I would note that only the second of your questions is salient given the gravity of pinguin's assertion. -Akolouthos   The first question can be elaborated on since unwanted pregnancies as a result of rape also can have serious repercussions for the womans health. Suicide is not unheard of under such circumstances.

Then by all means, elaborate.

I'd be a bit reluctant to kill one human being because of a remote and subjective potential threat to another, but various people have certainly sought to justify it often throughout history -- most recently in the case of the Iraq War. If you feel you can make a similar case here, feel free to do so.

-Akolouthos


Edited by Akolouthos - 11-Jun-2009 at 22:49

Until the baby is born the mother has every right to terminate the pregnancy. Simple as that.

Edited by Vorian - 11-Jun-2009 at 23:01

Originally posted by Vorian Until the baby is born the mother has every right to terminate the pregnancy. Simple as that.

Recently, in connection with the election to the EU parliament, a female politician here in Sweden said that she thinks that the right to abortion is a human right and should be considered so also internationally.

Regardless of whether it is or should be legal or illegal, its not a human right.
I can't stand it when someone pulls a human right out of their arse then demands that everyone follow it as a "international human right".
In Australia, its a human right to have a telephone. I'm sure it'd be much appreciated if we started given other countries moral lectures about telephones.

And some women also refer to this as a question specifically for women, and that men ought to have no saying in these matters.

It takes two to make a baby there should be two who have a say.
Of course, if the man abandons the woman that is his say.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Recently, in connection with the election to the EU parliament, a female politician here in Sweden said that she thinks that the right to abortion is a human right and should be considered so also internationally. Regardless of whether it is or should be legal or illegal, its not a human right.I can't stand it when someone pulls a human right out of their arse then demands that everyone follow it as a "international human right".In Australia, its a human right to have a telephone. I'm sure it'd be much appreciated if we started given other countries moral lectures about telephones. And some women also refer to this as a question specifically for women, and that men ought to have no saying in these matters. It takes two to make a baby there should be two who have a say.Of course, if the man abandons the woman that is his say.

Once in a while we agree on something. Human life is sacred and even the doctor who was murdered by that nut case had a right to live. I wonder what part of Hell he is in? I wonder when they will start killing babies after birth because maybe they wanted a boy instead of a girl or maybe blue eyes. This is only my opinion but no it is murder plain and simple but say what you want I will not change my view but it is no wonder the western nations are dying and why they will be replaced with workers from 3rd world countries. How many aborted in the USA? Last I heard 45 million souls. It is reality in my country and I have to accept it but I believe the women should be required to go through counseling first and given all the options such as adoption first before she says yes to abortion. Will the time come when someone who has cancer will be killed, for the sake of mercy, even if they want to live. Ooops that did already happen in Florida-hmmmm Heck I am still young and if I should marry my new girlfriend we will have a quiver full of kids and love them.

Originally posted by pinguin   Oh yes. And in porn production as well

No it's not a human right.
Cahaya and Al Jassas covered what I wanted to say pretty well.
1)If a woman really wants to not get pregnant there are so many ways she can make sure.
2)A woman cannot kill a baby if the father does not agree. Since the baby has been concieved, it's not hers only, it's also part of its father.

I'd say abortion should be allowed when baby is certainly going to suffer somehow if it's born:
1)baby was concieved after sex without consensus (rape). Mother doesn't want a baby of her rapist
2)baby's gonna have medical issues (retard, criple etc). If that's clear during pregnancy, it can be spared the torture of living.
3)mother and father below 16 (or 18, depends) years old. It's really mean to force a baby to have immature and irresponsible parents, who propably won't stay together (broke family).
4 -dubious-)any baby that its parents agree they don't want. What's the point of a baby getting born and have no parents to love it and care for it. Though I'd say, orphans fall also in this category, yet they often have quite normal lives. I'm not sure about No4
5)If child threatens mother's life. Mother is first priority always.