Patriarch 15th c.

There are some discussions with pictures on these sites about Patriarch Joseph II when he attended the Council of Florence 1439-1444.  Most of the descriptions of his appearance come from the paintings of Florentine artists.  There are also some descriptions in Syropoulos (the Greek chronicler of the council) and the secondary literature by John Gill, SJ.

On Diana Wright's site there are picture of Patriarch Joseph II from Florentine paintings.  As for Gennadios, I do not think there are any surviving representations of him.  The one above is a modern picture.

Unfortunately the books I've scanned this picture from didn't have many information, I suppose its the dress of the after 1453 Patriarch:

And the nice hat of the emperors by Pisanello, in a medallion of John VII Palaiologos:

 

I suppose this depiction of John Palaiologos is the most accurate, considering that Pisanello met him personaly.

Originally posted by eaglecap Thank you Patrinos fellow Greek. I see the cloak but what would his oovering and inner garb be called in Orthodox clergy terms from that period? Today, I will work on my story about 1453 and this will be very helpful in creating the fiction. Are you in Athens? I spent a month in Athens in 2001 and two weeks in 1998 and met relatives there.

Well, the dress of the clergy are generally called amphia-άμφια. 

In the picture of Gennadios I suppose the covering is a simple type of phailonion/φαιλόνιον, and the inside an esorason-εσώρασον, worn mostly by monks/monachous.

And the hood that he's wearing is called koukoulion-κουκούλιον.

The verge he is holding is called poimantorike ravdos-ποιμαντορική ράβδος.

Here's a less simple ravdos:

And this hat is called skiadion-σκιάδιον.

PS-I suppose that there is a reason why the Patriarch Gennadios is so simple dressed in the mosaic Byz.Emp. quoted, with Mohamed...

No Eaglecap, I'm not from Athens, as my nickname show I'm from Patra,Peloponnesos. If I remember correctly you have origins from Eastern Thrace, right?

Edited by Patrinos - 13-Jun-2009 at 15:02

Originally posted by eaglecap I like the Emperor's hat! Can I order one like that from Sears or JC Penney

George Sprantzes was Constantine's personal wardrobe attendant and a Monk so I wonder what he would have dressed like? He is a prominent character in my story. I have read through two primary sources by him and one by Doukas, Turan Bey also
To me 1453 is one of the great epic battles, in history, where you had a huge army against a few defenders. I am sure there has been a movie made in other countries but Hollywierd has never picked up on the great story or have they?? Anyone know of even an old movie about 1453 that is American/Canadian/ UK made- in English I mean.

I looked at the image and the one with the red book is the character I will use in describing George Sprantzes. Good chose????

I have one copy from interlibrary loan of the fall of Constantinople by George Sprantzes. I will make a copy and then type, for my records, the last speech of Constantine XI; as penned down by Sprantzes. It is an amazing speech and with current events it speaks for us today-- both in the USA, Greece or Europe.


Edited by eaglecap - 15-Jun-2009 at 18:05

Greek Patriarch(of Constantinoupolis)- 1580

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