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    Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 23:23

Lets first read it: http://www.huliq.com/56596/stonehenge-england-3500-years-younger-armenian-karahunj

Stonehenge England is 3,500 Years Younger than Armenian Karahunj

Tourists familiar with Scottish heritage would be astonished to discover the possibility of famous Stonehenge been originated in Armenia, claiming the fact that the Armenian land is the real cradle of civilization.
Famous professor and world’s known specialist on stone monuments Gerald. S. Hawkins had acknowledged that Karahunj is 7,500 years old, which means that it is 3,500 years older than Scotland Stonehenge, older than Karnak in France and Newgrenge in Ireland. It may prove what some people already suspect that Armenia is the cradle of the civilization.
On the territory of 7 hectares, 223 huge vertical stones like soldiers stand on the hill, some with holes pierced in them. The rough- cut stones aligned irregularly for a purpose, 84 were found to have holes. Many unique astronomic instruments consisting of one, two or three Stones were identified and using these, many observations of the Sun, Moon and stars. It is commonly assumed to be an early observatory, the evidence of ancient astronomical culture in Armenia. These stones have been attributed with mystical and cosmic powers. The Armenian scientists in ancient times could accurately measure latitude, knew that the Earth was ball-shaped, had an accurate calendar, and many more.

More about Cara-hunge (Karahunj): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorats_Karer

A nearby village, named Karahunj, takes the official name for the site, which has a compound meaning: "Kar" in Armenian means Stone, while "hunj" means either singing or bouquet. Interestingly, Stonehenge is also a compound world, and 'henge' has no English root. Heruni's team noted the similarity between the translation of Karahunj and Stonehenge, and also that between Callanish (Old Brittany "Caranish" which in Armenian is exactly translated as 'Stone Sign').

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Hanjâr "a straight road; way, rule, law; habit, custom; conduct; a mason's rule, a plumb-line, a level;" Mid.Pers. hanjâr "right, correct;" from Proto-Iranian *ham-cara-, *han-cara- prefixed *cara- "to move, walk" (cf. Av. car- "to move, go, walk," carāni "I would go," carāt "he would go;" Mod.Pers. caridan "to graze," gozârdan "to explain," gozâreš "explanation"); cf. Skt. samcara- "passage, way, road, path; going about, moving," from prefix sam- + cara- "moving, going, walking;" Gk. pelomai "to move;" L. colere "to till, cultivate, inhabit."
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 23:40
The writer of the article seems more interested in masterbating with Armenian flag in his other hand than informing the reader of anything useful or correct. Few people on earth think stonehenge is in scotland. The site itself is not a circle and the world is full of megalithic sites some stretching back to 12,000 years ago way way way older than stonehenge.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Apr-2009 at 09:44
I'm talking about the words, English Stonehenge, Armenian Carahunge and Scottish Calanais/Caranish, it seems they have all a common origin which could be not too old.
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  Quote ArmenianSurvival Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Apr-2009 at 10:39
The article is from a tourist agency, so lets not dwell over it. There are much more detailed articles on this subject, written by doctors in their respective fields, with the most detailed analysis and sources in Armenian and Russian.
 
But Paul, flag-jerking aside, it is hypothesized (of course backed up with a certain amount of evidence) that the Armenian Highlands were one of the oldest, if not the oldest, site of civilization and complex societies on the planet. It is even hypothesized by many linguists that the Indo-European language originated from the Armenian Highland. There have been excavations of cities which housed complex societies that are over 7,000 years old such as Metsamor, which also includes one of the oldest iron and bronze industries in the world. At the current pace, archaeologists in Armenia are making ground-breaking discoveries literally every few months, the most recent being the discovery of a 7,000 year-old human brain and a 5,000 year-old Aryan burial ground (btw western historiography's theory is that Aryans appeared on the Armenian Highland less than 3,000 years ago, so history is being rewritten with every new discovery). Karahunj's dating was confirmed by the world's foremost experts in megalithic study, who also confirmed that the site was used as an observatory. And remember, the modern Armenian republic is just a tiny fraction of the Armenian Highland, and it still yields all these clues about the past. The theories I stated earlier are not conclusive (as if anything in history really is), and you can argue that there were older regions with cities housing complex societies. But the discoveries already made (which are much more numerous than those I named) and that will continue to be made, will put Armenia as one of the regions talked about when discussing ancient centers of civilization. For this reason, don't be surprised if many people refer to it in the same way that many in western acadamia refer to Mesopotamia as one of the oldest sites of civilization.
 
Sadly, there are only scant resources on these expansive fields in the English language. The vast majority of this stuff is not only new to western academia, but as I said earlier, most of the sources and analyses are in the Armenian and Russian languages.
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  Quote Slayertplsko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Apr-2009 at 21:43

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

A nearby village, named Karahunj, takes the official name for the site, which has a compound meaning: "Kar" in Armenian means Stone, while "hunj" means either singing or bouquet. Interestingly, Stonehenge is also a compound world, and 'henge' has no English root. Heruni's team noted the similarity between the translation of Karahunj and Stonehenge, and also that between Callanish (Old Brittany "Caranish" which in Armenian is exactly translated as 'Stone Sign').

First off, I would be careful with statements like ''has no English root''. The root of ''hang'' is usually considered in this instance.

Secondly, there is some similarity between Armenian and Gaelic words for stone, but that is because they come from a common root:

Proto-IE: *kar- (kh-)
Meaning: stone, thorn; hard, rough
Tokharian: A tsär `rauh'
Old Indian: khára- `hard, harsh, rough, sharp'
Other Iranian: NPers xār, xārā 'Fels, Dorn'
Armenian: khar `Stein, Fels'
Old Greek: krănăó- 'rocky, rugged (in Hom. always in Ithaka); hard; stinging'; kárkharo- `beissend, bissig, scharf, rauh'
Celtic: OIr carrac f., OCymr carrec `Fels, Stein'

Then, the semantic similarity is just that all three have something to do with stones - what's so surprising about that?? They're stones. The Armenian stones sing, the Scottish are a stone sign and the English hang.

Hanjâr "a straight road; way, rule, law; habit, custom; conduct; a mason's rule, a plumb-line, a level;" Mid.Pers. hanjâr "right, correct;" from Proto-Iranian *ham-cara-, *han-cara- prefixed *cara- "to move, walk"

Again, phonetically similar words, but with different meanings.

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2010 at 18:26
Slayertplsko, above posted a "lie" or "malproprism", when he suggested that "henge" was related to "hang!"

See; http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=hinge

Henge is from an entirely different origin, at least that seems to be the currently accepted best answer!

Henge, means "circle" etc., not a "swinging connection!"

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  Quote jafflen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2011 at 04:34
The only trouble with this comparison is that if you go with Stonehenge in mind, you might be a little disappointed; the stones are quite small and rough looking and there's not much symmetry to the whole thing. If, however, you go to visit a slightly surreal place in a magnificent mountain setting with clear fresh air and little sign of habitation in any direction apart from the 7000 year old ruins of what looks like a little home for pixies, you won't be disappointed at all.
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  Quote Jarns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Nov-2011 at 11:32
 Just because it doesn't have an English root doesn't mean that it lacks a widely understand source. The core word you're looking for is 'Henghe,' which is Middle Dutch and can be traced back to the Proto-Indoeuropean 'konk (poorly rendered on my part).'

 Seeing how the Armenian language is also descended from PIE, it makes sense that their would be similarities.
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  Quote Edward M. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Dec-2012 at 14:04
For your own good you should not use the Armenian flag in insultive way. But, of course you don't give a shit about Armenians. But, who told you we are trying to be like Europeans. The scientists themselves see the cradel of civilization is most likely in the Neareast and not in Europe. And even in Europe, Greeks built real civilizations first. Roman came right after. And germanics learned their genius centruries after from muslim moors who were smart enough to read and understand Greek texts the rest of Europe ignored for centuries.
 
Also, the oldest form of R1b which is common in Europe is found in Armenia in the highest ratio in the region. Now, that doesn't mean I think I am Eruopean, ha ha ha.
The Eruopean form mutated when the first group exited Armenia not too long ago in history and and then spread.
 
 
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  Quote Edward M. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Dec-2012 at 14:12
I know its hard for European decent people to see themselves related to anyone else.
I can't prove Hange and Hunge are related, but they do have striking similarities which can not be colincidental. Also, looking at R1b and its 30% in Armenian poppulation and lower % among neighboring countries (more than 10%), and the similarities between design patterns on Armenian cross stones and Celtic designs are some of the more increasing proves of this.
 
Other than this article the scientific findings suggest a continually younger mutations of R1b paternal haplogroup as we go from Armenia towards north western Europe.
 
The strongest theories about indo-european expansion suggests the source to be either in Armenia or in northern caucases near Georgia and south of Ukrane. All these are around the Black sea region.
 
Forget this Article, there are other sources and hopefully your brain, if it can think in logic and scientifically to see the corrolation.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Dec-2012 at 14:30
Originally posted by Edward M.

I know its hard for European decent people to see themselves related to anyone else.
I can't prove Hange and Hunge are related, but they do have striking similarities which can not be colincidental. Also, looking at R1b and its 30% in Armenian poppulation and lower % among neighboring countries (more than 10%), and the similarities between design patterns on Armenian cross stones and Celtic designs are some of the more increasing proves of this.
 
Other than this article the scientific findings suggest a continually younger mutations of R1b paternal haplogroup as we go from Armenia towards north western Europe.
 
The strongest theories about indo-european expansion suggests the source to be either in Armenia or in northern caucases near Georgia and south of Ukrane. All these are around the Black sea region.
 
Forget this Article, there are other sources and hopefully your brain, if it can think in logic and scientifically to see the corrolation.
 
 
Well if it can it can....if not... then your not it's judge here. Other sources he may or may not choose to utilize? His business. Iow. ease up on your rudeness.This forum doesn't need it. And you might note your responding to a post over a year old.  
 
 
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Dec-2012 at 15:54
Actually the bit about the flag is 3 years old.
 
For that reason I'll ignore the threatening tone of Ed's first post, but reinforce CV on Ed reading the CoC.
 
 
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